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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

For a load-bearing vehicle it absolutely is. And I showed that it compared favorably to these minitrucks. This whole thread is about comparing trucks to trucks. If you need to carry shit, you are hurting the environment if you buy a mini-truck over a Silverado or F150.

It does not show that, it showed almost nothing other then your one truck gets middling gas mileage and then you said people on a minitruck forum say they don't haul stuff. There was as far as I can see no comparison of load to load capacity, avg fuel economy or anything other then you like your buddies 2021 silverado.

Well, 10 years goes a long way. You literally picked a 2011 Silverado. Perhaps look at 2023 numbers on the same site?

your link lists MPG of 21.82 for 2023, that is almost 1/3 worse then your friend.

As for Kei, as I said it’s hard to get a fair chance when the only places nearby sell heavily-used older vehicles. Gas mileage has largely skyrocketed of late because Auto manufacturers are getting scared.

But ultimately, If you have any truck and don’t need its carrying ability, you’re an asshole. I think the case of a japanese mini-truck being the “best choice” is ultimately too rare to hold your breath for.

A step further, the REAL sad truth is that most minitrucks aren’t even legal in the US without being modified to a max speed of 25mph because they don’t meet safety and emission standards for road vehicles. That’s why so many around here are old. Before 1998, they’re grandfathered in and people in other countries that don’t grandfather old vehicles are offloading them.

Do we really want to be cheering on unsafe high-emission vehicles as the “cure” to the F150?

The legal issues are a issue not because these are unsafe or high-emission (they are not). They are a major issue because the auto industry has fed you that tripe and like a lot of US consumers you bought it. These are not good on gas, they have convinced people that 29mpg in a hybrid that costs as much as a house is good.

I like many other people do have the occasional need for a truck, and in no world would you catch me in anything made in north America for the last 20 years. Like many other people I had to buy a very old truck (carberated v8 that gets 14ish mpg btw) and it sits by my barn until it is needed. The "cure" to the f150 is just the option to buy a old f150 or any other truck not made into a 5 seat van like monstrosity. I would love to have the option to buy a new truck that was small, be it a kei or a domestic. But I don't.

[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It does not show that

Agree to disagree.

your link lists MPG of 21.82 for 2023, that is almost 1/3 worse then your friend.

That is for a non-Hybrid Silverado, and my friend has a hybrid. Seems to make sense.

The legal issues are a issue not because these are unsafe or high-emission (they are not). They are a major issue because the auto industry has fed you that tripe and like a lot of US consumers you bought it.

That is sorta tinfoil. There is a process in most states to get ANY vehicle street-legal. But Kei trucks don't just need safety features retrofitted, apparently they lack a sufficient roll cage to pass inspections for valid safety concerns. Even Kei fans can't agree on whether it's more or less safe in a crash than a motorcycle.

As for emissions, in a lot of states you just have to pass standard EPA emissions guidelines like any other vehicle. Apparently that's very difficult for a Kei truck to do. Perhaps it uses a gallon or two less per hundred miles, but its emissions are worse.

Lots of Kei truck fans out there bitch about how the EPA should have better things to do than care about fehicle emissions, but I'd think a "fuck cars" community would care about vehicle emissions.

These are not good on gas, they have convinced people that 29mpg in a hybrid that costs as much as a house is good.

So your viewpoint is entirely about money. Just be straight with it.

and in no world would you catch me in anything made in north America for the last 20 years. Like many other people I had to buy a very old truck (carberated v8 that gets 14ish mpg btw) and it sits by my barn until it is needed.

Why is that? Newer vehicles tend to be safer in collisions and better on emissions than the equivalent older vehicle.

The “cure” to the f150 is just the option to buy a old f150

Circa 2000 F150s rate as low as 10-11MPG. New F150s rate as high as 25MPG. And new F150s are a lot safer to drive. I'll ask again, is this entire rant of yours just about money? Because maybe I'm the wrong person to respond to if you're just cheap. I get it, I'd rather take a bus myself than have a car payment.