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Biden administration uses emergency authority to sell tank shells to Israel
(amp.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2023
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There's been a lot of posts about Palestinians and Muslims seriously arguing sitting out the next presidential election. To all the ppl who constantly argue how stupid and reactionary doing so is, what exactly are they suppose to do?
Simply vote for the man who is actively supplying the weapons to kill your family/kill ppl just like you because Trump is a giant bigot? Thankfully i don't have to make such a decision but I wouldn't blame anyone (especially the family of a dead relative bombed by Israel) to sit this next election out.
For Muslims and Palestinians this next election is a Murderer vs a Murdering racist
They're supposed to realize Trump will have a Muslim ban and take away their rights and then go full on genocide using US troops to help Isreal do it more efficiently and then probably throw all Muslims into camps to be reconditioned or worked to death. I don't know what they expect biden to do, I don't claim to understand geopolitics but I'm pretty sure it would be a disaster for the US to end relations with Isreal.
Yeah and that's a problem for Biden to solve. If he wants to avert the disaster then he should stop his support for Israel.
FTFY.
But to answer your question, yes. In America 99.99% of the time we have to vote for the fractionally lesser of two evils and Biden is that. Not voting IS voting for Trump. It is a stupid selfish thing that does nothing for no one. Giving in to apathy by not voting is giving up on democracy and right now we are either voting to continue democracy or giving in to fascism.
Just to be clear I don't endorse what the US is letting Israel do to Gaza and Palestinians and I've let my local representatives know this. I also wish there was someone other than Trump or Biden who had any chance at all of winning the next presidential election.
This comment is stupid selfish. Choosing not to vote for an administration that supplied the weapons that killed your family is the exact opposite of apathy.
Third party, unironically.
inb4 helping the other side/first-past/throwing votes/electoral college. Gotta show em this is what happens when they are ignored.
I totally agree. It will hurt, but this lesser-evil bullshit needs to end.
Blame everyone who votes for 'moderate' democrats. Not the people who refuse to 'fall in line.'
Yep. People wanna act like votes are deserved. Votes are earned and if the party hasnt shown they earn them they dont get them. Full stop.
The place to do this is in the primaries, unironically. After that you are voting for the better of two candidates and any vote outside of that is still a decision between two candidates.
Yeah but what about the democrats using superdelegates and general fuckery to get Bernie out in 2016? I know they changed the superdelegate system at some point but still. Only time I've seen an outsider actually decimate and forcibly enter the party was Trump. And even then he still capitulated to general Republican beliefs.
Plus the current democrat primary is just a hippy, biden, someone nobody has heard of and Cenk who 99% will get disqualified since the dude wasn't born in the US. I mean there's a chance Manchin might run but he's probably gonna go independent/No Labels.
So you know all the reasons why what you choose to do is wrong but do it anyway?
You already admitted that's not what you are actually accomplishing but I guess lying to yourself makes you feel better.
Yeah sure. Vote democrat. Nothings ever gonna change. Not now. Not ever.
If voting Democrat isn't going to change anything, voting third party is definitely not going to change anything. Might as well make the higher percentage play, which is voting Democrat.
Sure. Keep up the defeatism. It's what those in power want. This is probably the only American thing I will never understand.
You want to give up, throw your vote away voting for some third party crank and somehow I'm the defeatist? I want some of whatever you're smoking because it sounds really strong.
I can't continue with this line of reasoning. You are the one whos equating voting third party with not voting and apathy. Nothing will change in the States. Never ever.
Somehow I think I'll find the strength to carry on without your brilliant wisdom to guide the way.
The only ones peddling defeatism here are the ones advocating for the greater evil because the aren't getting everything they want.
"Instead of voting for the guy who's going to support this shitty country which is on the verge of genocide, I'm going to effectively cast a vote for the guy who's going to support that shitty country and encourage them to commit genocide, in addition to pursuing genocide and the dismantling of democracy here at home."
If "supports terrible country" is enough to make a president a murderer, then there hasn't been a non-murderer president in the history of our country, and, quite possible, in the history of any country of note or significance.
Careful. You're saying the quiet part outloud.
This is Biden fault not American voters. He chooses to ignore voters and choose to ignore problems. Voters shouldn’t be blamed for the correct policies people want.
Speaking as someone who is strongly anti-Israel, the idea that American voters are opposed to military aid to Israel is just... not connected with reality.
That's because us regular people aren't in control of the country. Our leadership is akin to what you see in professional wrestling, you have "the heel" and "the face." One group pretends to be the bad guys and the other pretends to be the good guys, but they're really all friends who hang out in the same circles behind the scenes. What they present to the public is all an act.
Honestly? They should either abstain or vote for a third party.
I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a US citizen, so what I say below is NOT advice. It's simply my thoughts to (almost) play devil's advocate for the benefit of discussion!
I'm well aware of the 'cowardice' of abstaining in this election. Yes, Trump has the potential to do harm to Muslims tomorrow, but Biden is harming them today. Trump currently hates Netenyahu, wants him impeached and disagrees with his actions in Gaza (yes it's because of a petty reason but that's Trump's MO!)
Biden is running again, and he is a self-proclaimed Zionist who supports Israel on a personal level, not only politically.
As much as many others want to avoid a second Trump term, voting for Biden means you support him, and support his actions. There's nothing in your vote that separates you from those who unequivocally agree with what he's doing in Gaza. If Biden wins and then he continues to assist in genocide in Gaza, then that's directly related to the democrat vote.
If democrats know they'll lose the election with Biden, they need to front another candidate fast. Failure to do so is accepting defeat.
"Fall in line."
They want history to continue to repeat itself because they're constantly on the winning side.
The number of Muslims who voted for Trump actually increased between 2016 and 2020.