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Another player who was at the table during the incident sent me this meme after the problem player in question (they had a history) left the group chat.

Felt like sharing it here because I'm sure more people should keep this kind of thing in mind.

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I personally haven't downvoted it, I did have a nice eye roll at it.

Nothing stated is false, but there's a massive gulf between contempt and euthanization. Both are wrong, but one involves stuff like murder and forced sterilization. The other may involve terrible treatment if the bigot is given the opportunity. Scale/magnitude is important.


As a personal thing, whenever people start tossing around nazi and fascism I find it a bit harder to take their statements seriously. The terms are becoming significantly less impactful through modern overuse. Nazis and fascists absolutely still exist, but it feels as though the terms are becoming shorthand catch-all labels for general reprehensible behavior/beliefs for people too lazy to explain further or to use more specific terminology. Not saying that's ocurring here, but in general.

Like are we talking about people who believe that all the world's issues are caused by meddling and scheming of the genetically inferior and rule of the world is the birthright of some genetically pure ubermenschs, or is it somebody unable to handle a blind character in a TTRPG? Someone going to a protest to shoot people, or some couch potato who has stewed too long with right wing media? All are bad, but it's a matter of scale which is significant.

Much like how issues of unconcious biases or microaggressions should probably be solved with attempts at education rather than shouting someone down like they're calling for eugenics. There has to be a better solution than just dismissing large swaths of people for the wrong beliefs, or in a lot of online discourse, calling for physical violence against them.

That's not happening here, but I've seen so much of it that it shades how I interact with online discourse.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Like are we talking about people who believe that all the world’s issues are caused by meddling and scheming of the genetically inferior and rule of the world is the birthright of some genetically pure ubermenschs

Strictly speaking, they believed that grouping of people by race makes sense in respect to their personality, and thus some common racial interests, and then that thus races compete fight each other, and then that thus they should make their own race "win". Genetic "purity" was in their opinion needed to preserve "their" personality traits, or something like that.

That's still bullshit, but with my description I hope you can see that it's more similar to class theory in Marxism than Marxists would like to admit.

That’s not happening here, but I’ve seen so much of it that it shades how I interact with online discourse.

Well, for me any kind of contempt for the weak (in any respect - appearances, sicknesses, hard childhood, trauma, unpleasant personality, anything) is reminiscent of people who dismiss anybody with a problem with no objections from their conscience, also thinking that such behavior makes them stronger. And I know that maybe they'll regret that in the old age, and that those they dismiss will later praise the universe that they've been dismissed by such people, but still.

And fighting that contempt for the weak I don't see as potentially harmful, while attacking somebody who's doing it is in my opinion and indicator of being the bigot in question.