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A brutal war since April has left at least 10,000 dead and displaced 6 million but remains a mere footnote on the international agenda.

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it was the head of the African Union who said, addressing the EU, "when I talk to you I get a lecture, when I talk to China I get an airport."

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Of course, China expects payback. Quickly. Or else.

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, that's the genius in their strategy: They don't expect payback quickly. It's perfectly fine for them if you lease your new infrastructure for 99 years and pay nothing. They'll then happily take it away from your great-grandchildren.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, completely different from how the IMF and World bank behave.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

China's debt-trap diplomacy is on a whole other level.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is it though? To me it seems they just took the post/neo colonial playbook and started applying it too. I've never seen a straight comparison of terms for similar investments. In either case, the country ends up loaded with debt it can't repay, and they have to privatise something (or in the case of China, they get the asset?).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think there are two things I would point to. One is that neither the IMF nor the World Bank are nation states, which makes their predatory lending a little different. The other is that China brought Sri Lanka's economy to the brink of collapse through predatory lending and I don't know that the IMF or the World Bank has gone that far with a nation's economy, but feel free to correct me on that.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 3 points 9 months ago

Here's a top 10 list of debtors to the IMF, on top of which is Argentina, which, as you know isn't doing great economically.

I'm not going to claim there's a causal effect, as I don't think the case of Sri Lanka can be attributed solely to debt to China either (Sri Lanka was run by kleptocrats, and had to import a lot of goods and energy, making it vulnerable to external market conditions).

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Weren't wanted is an understatement. France and the UK were robbing whole Africa dry. Africa would have been extremely developed by now if their population saw some of the money the west was stealing from them.

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, let's see how things will be different now that it's china and russia extracting wealth from them.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Not much, but it's pretty easy to get the locals riled up to overthrow the current government.

China might do some minor projects to get them into debt like our IMF has but it won't amount to much either

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

France and the UK were robbing whole Africa dry.

Were robbing? France still controls the currency of like 7 or 8 African nations. America gets most of the blame for foreign meddling but the French never stopped colonialism. Fucking assholes