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[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

To be clear, Malaysia is a horror show when it comes to minority rights and only doing this because they hate Israel because they hate Jews. If Malaysia could look past their hatred of Jews they'd be able to see the commonalities they have with the Jewish-supremacist state of Israel.

Not all of your enemy's enemies are your friends.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"They hate Israel because they hate Jews" is a strong accusation. Hating Jews usually doesn't decide foreign policy.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Are you fucking kidding? There are thousands of years of documented precedent.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seems like most non-European nations didn't care about Jews until they stole Israel.

That would make them anti-Zionist, not anti-Semetic.

I know it's important for you people to conflate the two, though. Thankfully this generation isn't quite as stupid as the last one when it comes to your propaganda.

[–] LaChaleurDeLaNuit@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Guess what, when you refuse Jews their right to their ancestral land that they've never left, while not doing so with any other people, yup, that makes you an anti-semite.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

No, it makes me an anti-Zionist.

You think Jews are entitled to live in Israel, and you're so brazenly biased that you try to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

Rational people are no longer following for your narrative, and that upsets you to no end.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Like the whole field of antisemitic Zionism, yes. "It's fine if Jews get to live just don't do it here".

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Jeez, never thought of it framed that way. You're right. All I ever wanted was a couple of square blocks on the lower east side anyway :)

[–] LittleZaZa1@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Only in europe. Anti-Semetism does not exist in the midle east.

[–] charlytune@mander.xyz 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What are you talking about? Anti-Semitism is rife in lots of the middle east. The protocols of the elders of Zion are still circulated as fact. And Malaysia isn't in the middle east?

[–] LittleZaZa1@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

There is Anti Zionism in the middle east. No Anti Semitism :) We love our secular Jewish sisters and brothers.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

No, Malaysia is South East Asia.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So either you're a Middle Eastern or Muslim person that loves his brother in Abraham sharing personal experience, who I love for your naivete and wish everyone had that sentiment everywhere about everyone and there was world peace... Or you're completely detached from the history which is fine, but you shouldn't post disinformation on the Internet bc others will believe you and parrot it to others, as is happening here

[–] LittleZaZa1@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

How can a semite be an Antisemite :P

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh... What? What country fucked with Jews outside their borders except Nazi Germany?

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you asking seriously in good faith?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. My knowledge of Jewish history isn't the best.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for being honest and asking in good faith. So pretty much the whole history has been defined by genocides and being used as fodder for scapegoating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_question .. this is a pretty controversial vein of the dialogue for you to get started. You don't have to feel one way or another but it's an example of the modern West's dynamics

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Oh I know that. I was talking specifically about whether antisemitism affected foreign policy. Like, didn't Western countries just persecute Jews inside their borders while not really caring about ones outside? That's why I said "outside their borders".

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Okay gotcha. I think the missing piece here is the connection between domestic and foreign policy. Forget Jews, Holocaust, Israel, genocide, any of it, and go more basic..

Domestic policy issues like immigration in a functioning country on an average normal day, are by their nature, foreign policy. If you own a store and lock the door and say we're closed, you're informing the outside world of this. If I needed a loaf of bread from you, now I have to do something else.. it doesn't matter if I find a different store, switch recipes, order in.. you've affected me. Like how in science, merely observing, is impacting any experiment, just bc you're interacting with it through the very observation itself.

So now you're a Eurasian country expelling your Jews as one does every few centuries. If I accept those Jews, that's a diplomatic message to the global community that I disagree with your policy. Think about Poland accepting Ukrainians or the US sending bombs. That's a message on our stance on Russian genocide.

Does that help or make it more confusing?? 😬