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Instead of only voting for one candidate we should be able to upvote or downvote each candidate (merv.news)
submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by nix@merv.news to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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It would be great to be able to vote for every candidate in an election instead of only once and you can decide to upvote, downvote, or not vote for any candidate. This way you never “throw away” your vote and extreme/hated candidates can be downvoted so if im not a fan of any candidate but one is particularly awful I can downvote that one and not vote any I don’t like while still making my voice heard that I definitely don’t want this specific candidate

Edit: Combined Approval Voting is what I want and its used by to elect the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee and the Secretary General of the United Nations

Edit 2: You can learn about and try different voting methods in this amazing project https://ncase.me/ballot/

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[–] 5200@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Downvoting would mean that in a 2 party system one Team upvotes their guy and downvotes the other.

Ranked choice voting works better. I believe CGP grey has a cool YouTube series on the voting options. He explains it based on voting in animal kingdom.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ranked Choice is actually (much) worse overall than the modified Score that OP is describing, even with bullet voting.

As a note, Ranked Choice still has bullet voting. About 30% of voters in a ranked choice election bullet vote.

This video goes into a deep dive about Ranked Choice (and some other systems) and talks about how Ranked Choice might actually be worse than simple plurality. (which is already pretty bad)

[–] 5200@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

You are horrible, I just spent the last half hour in a Rabbit Hole about star voting and other methods and will probably be reading more.

I don't know who the random YouTuber is but indeed several large voting organizations seem to favor star (score then automatic runoff) over RCV. As modern systems make counting/processing the votes much easier.

Thanks for the links and info!

[–] donuts@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As a note, Ranked Choice still has bullet voting. About 30% of voters in a ranked choice election bullet vote.

I think that stat could easily be attributed to a lack of familiarity with what is, to a lot of people, a new and different method of voting. You'd be surprised how many people don't adequately read or understand directions.

In other words, what you're describing isn't inherent to the system itself and it could be much worse.

I'd guess that the number of people who bullet vote will decrease as the level of education and familiarity around "new" voting systems like RCV increases.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

Actually, no.

Bullet voting is just a thing people do.

Even in places that have been using versions of RCV for decades, about 30% of any given population will bullet vote.

That's info from FairVote themselves (The main proponents of RCV, even if they're sort of scummy in their advocacy)

[–] 5200@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You are horrible, I just spent the last half hour in a Rabbit Hole about star voting and other methods and will probably be reading more.

I don't know who the random YouTuber is but indeed several large voting organizations seem to favor star (score then automatic runoff) over RCV. As modern systems make counting/processing the votes much easier.

Thanks for the links and info!

[–] nix@merv.news 1 points 10 months ago

It wouldn’t be a two party this guy versus that guy election though. There would be debates/campaigning and then you upvote/downvote/novote for each candidate running and whoever gets the most wins