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I would guess : ones that disposess the inhabitants for their own gain and then corral the remainders in open air prisons while stripping them of their rights of self determination. Any other state like that would be highly suspect. I think if Russia annexed Ukraine and then walled them in and controlled their electricity, food and everyday freedom, then that would count. All that said, while I think the state of Israel should never have been created in the first place, I absolutely do not agree on the idea of removing the existing state. That would be to visit upon the people of Israel the same horror they visited on the Palestinians. You can't deplore Israel's genocidal behavior then wish the same for them
Gaza isn't part of Israel and Gazans are not Israeli citizens
It's an occupied territory.
Agreed?
this only makes it worse, as Israel has defeacto control over the region, same thing with the west bank.
Is it possible to regain legitimacy after doing that, or will the state always be illegitimate?
And how geographically widespread does it have to be?
Because that sounds an awful lot like the US's historical genocide of the Native Americans and China's current genocide of the Uyghurs.
I absolutely think states can improve their legitimacy. Israel could work with Palestine in good faith toward a two state solution. There's always a path forward. See south africa, northern Ireland, Germany in the cold war etc
And yet you see the celebration of support for someone saying that "Israel has no right to exist." Although there are some people who believe all national boarders should be abolished, somehow I don't think that's what the poster intended. Calling for the destruction of an entire nation of people sounds pretty bigoted to me. If it's not anti-semitism, then we're just splitting hairs. It makes it hard to speak out against the actions of Israel alongside people who are calling for Jewish genocide and being cheered on by those around them.
Calling for Israel to not exist does not imply Genocide, it implies disestablishment of a political body.
There is no possible world in which the disestablishment of the state of Israel does not lead to the deaths of millions of Jews. If you want to advocate for the abolition of Israel, you need to accept that and own the consequences.
No. But look if you want to be hysterical and put words in people's mouths you do you. But you'll have to excuse me if I bow out of the conversation. I'm happy to answer for my own words but not those others imagine