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[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 142 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

The amount of downvotes on comments trying to help people not get price gouged and comments supporting these subscription price increases shows me just how many corporate shills are actually out there. No wonder these corps keep getting away with this bullshit.

Edit: Wow so many people took personal offense to this...almost like it they know it's true but are afraid to admit it. Everyone is hurting financially right now, some more than others. Yet year over year, the prices keep going up even with record inflation and record profits. Keep shilling folks, enjoy emptying your wallets for the millionaires while you struggle.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm not going to defend the price increase, but a lot of comments in here are just aimless hatred of the idea of paying anything, ever.

Pound for pound, YouTube Premium has been a decent deal at $10. Has been. This is pushing it, but there's a lot of comments that seem absolutely indignant at the idea of paying YouTube period (and by extension the content creators).

There's got to be some room for nuance here. The internet is plagued by advertising and paywalls, yes, but it can also not exist without them, so we find some middle ground.

[–] MagicalPanda@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using the internet for over 24 years. I can tell you that the internet can survive without ads or paywalls. Ads and paywalls are a product of greed. Ads are way more efficient these days but many used to take up so much memory. I remember when AdBlock or whatever it was called came out. It made browsing the internet smoother.

[–] atomWood@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only way the internet can survive without ads or paywalls is for the person/business hosting the content to pay for everything out of pocket.

A platform like YouTube could never exist without some form of revenue. I understand that there are small platforms out there, such as PeerTube, but they will never be comparable to the scale of YouTube without some form of revenue. Sure, people could grow PeerTube by spinning up their own instances, but then they need to provide their own hardware and storage. At which point you’re spending just as much, or likely more, than you would on a subscription service.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 5 points 1 year ago

I think its possible it will just be slow and requires people to sacrifice a bit just like we are trying to do with lemmy. maybe find a different route for ads like how Brave the browser does it where it give the user the choice to see ads and give them and the content creator a cut if they agree to it, not that I trust that browser but its an interesting concept

[–] Karza@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

It can definitely exist without advertising and paywalls. It just going to be smaller.

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[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ya how dare people actually pay for a platform that hosts billions of videos and streams to billions of users essentially lag free and is actually decent and shares revenue with it's content creators. /s

Things cost money. You don't have to be a corporate shill to not expect everything to be free, you just have to be an adult.

[–] mrmanager 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google is one of the richest companies in the world.

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Ok? And? They aren't a charity and don't owe you free video hosting services.

EDIT: I find it hilarious that point out the fact that you aren't entitled to free hosting services is getting down voted. Lmao how old are the people here?

[–] Gork@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Dude they sell our data to advertisers and big data for profit. The least they can do is provide some services for us for the amount of analytics they collect from us on a daily basis.

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who's actually worked in this industry, your data isn't enough to pay for video hosting services to the scale youtube provides. Youtube makes up a significant chunk of all network traffic in the world. It costs money.

[–] ttr@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're a content creator, aren't you? 🤣

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No i am not. But I am happy to support actual content creators and the platform that they host on and gets them the most views because I spend more time on YT than I do on any other streaming platform.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But I am happy to support actual content creators and the platform that they host on and gets them the most views

It's too bad youtube doesn't do that, lol.

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I mean that is objectively not true.

[–] Shrek@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They pay content creators more than any other platform to my understanding. I think the exception is kik (kick?) The streaming platform.

[–] xts@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too bad you constantly have to be worried about dumb policy changes that can affect your older videos which can mean cutting off those revenue sources

Also I’ve never seen another platform that demonetizes content as much as YouTube does.

[–] Shrek@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Both very fair points. But, there is no other platform that even compares for real.

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[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

They were already being paid and profitable, both from direct cash and ad revenue, but that doesn't ever seem to be enough.

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[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I don't owe them a subscription if I don't agree with the value they've placed on it. Free market, baby. 👍

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, absolutely, you don't. No one is claiming otherwise.

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem oddly offended at the idea people wouldn't lol. I don't know why you're taking this so personally.

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

No I just think it's stupid to call people who would pay for a service a corporate shill. I have no issue with someone who doesn't think a subscription is worth it. Maybe read the whole thread first next time.

[–] mrmanager 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No but I'm not going to pay Google for anything. It's obscene to give them even more money.

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whether you think that service is worth it or not is up to you.

But don't act like you have some moral high ground here and that people who are actually paying for a service that you are stealing from and a service that actually shares revenue with it's content creators and encourages independent creators are just corporate shills.

Some of us are adults and realize things cost money and not entitled children that expect everything for free.

[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And some of us are adults that don't have your innate need to wield your moral high ground like a smug pedantic asshole.

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[–] ConfirmingMoose@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I see.

We are at fault for youtube giving shit away for free. We are responsible for youtube's profits.

We not only need to offer content FOR FREE to youtube ... but then accept that we must pay youtube for our content.

Get fucked.

[–] zefiax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Before telling others to get fucked, maybe learn to read and grow the fuck up.

YT shares revenue with content creators. No one is offering shit for free.

Things cost money, wether you think the service is worth it or not is up to you, but no one owes you shit just because you are an entitled prick.

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[–] Thadrax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I get that, but the vast majority of content creators seem to make their money with sponsorships or their own ads, so most of what google is doing is content distribution, not creation. Which makes the amount of money they want for that seem ridiculous when pretty much every other streaming service that produces high profile and expensive shows themselves is way cheaper.

This feels like your supermarket requiring entrance fees in addition to you having to pay for stuff you actually buy.

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[–] BaldrOdinson@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's surprising to me. First moment I've thought maybe Lemmy is a worse place to be. Is there really that many astroturfing trolls here? Yikes.

[–] Ado@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I can afford $13/month on my income and watch YT on a daily basis, much more than any other streaming service by a wide margain. Does that somehow make me an astroturfing troll?

[–] mrmanager 12 points 1 year ago

Poeple think they are sharing their enormous profits with creators. Maybe they get a few bucks from the billions.

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

I think what you are seeing here so far is the organic result of those dumb enough to pay this kind of money for youtube being personally offended and defending their bad decisions.

We will get there but I'm not sure that this platform is large enough to be a major target for corpo bots just yet. Just dummies.

[–] ZodiacSF1969@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yet year over year, the prices keep going up even with record inflation

Well yeh, that's what inflation is...

[–] soulifix@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand what shilling will earn for these people. The corps don't care about you. They never will and never have. Do these shills think there's some comfy bonus to be gained if they wave their flag around in support of greedy practices?

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