Eh, it isn't on the same level as erasing an entire bloodline on a genocidal crusade, but yes. Does that make it okay? Did the US not get shit for that and continue to get shit for that? During this whole war on Gaza, I've seen the history of America being used as a tell-tale example of how not to do this or any war ever in the future... And it doesn't make Israel look any more "stellar", especially not when it hides behind others' atrocities to dilute its own in the eyes of the world. No different than Putin who makes similar remarks on a regular basis.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right. Biden explicitly said “Don’t make the same mistakes we made in 9/11. There’s no reason we had to be in a war in Afghanistan. There’s no reason we had to do so many things that we did.”

Like, Biden pushes HARD for that war. That's the voice of regret. I suspect Israel will have similar regrets.

Too much death.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bidens words say one thing but his actions say kill all you like

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Pretty much. I wasn't saying that so much to defend Biden as to agree with the fact that the US has done similar in the past.

I honestly think that Biden is conflicted;

On the one hand, I'm sure that it's sound geopolitical strategy to support Israel. For the same kind of reasons it's sound geopolitical strategy to support Ukraine.

On the other hand, Benny McGenocide over there is fucking it up for Biden and everyone else that supported Israel.

Biden reacted too slow, but he also had to balance competing interests. Definitely a no-win situation. He could not have easily stopped support for Israel, and I truly believe that he's not a fan of the genocide.

His track record for pushing the US into war following 9/11 does reveal his character too. Actions do speak louder than words. It would be interesting to know what exactly was going on in his head back then. I think the conversation with netanyahu is interesting in that it shows what sounds like regret.

You're right though. He's done what he's done. He'll only ever at best be the least worst option.

The whole situation makes me sick and sad. War crimes answered with war crimes.