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Bro can i just say that i fucking hate that anti-semetic is even an argument used when someone demonstrates support for Hamas? it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.
I think there is a very good argument of antisemitism if you support Hamas. There is no argument for antisemitism if you support Palestinians.
Indeed, in other words, just as the IDF is racist against Palestinians
"Hamas vs Israel" is a category error. It's Hamas vs Likud or Palestine vs Israel. Nobody should support Hamas or Likud. Nobody should even tolerate them. They're both terrorist groups whose goal is genocide.
It's not racism. They are the same race. It's religious intolerance.
"Race" for humans is a made up concept and "racism" has been used to refer to any kind of hating a group for their ethnicity. "Ethnicity" is a very ambiguously defined concept notably including shared attributes like nationality, language, history, religion, etc.
I, too, am not a fan of words being used incorrectly, but this is not an incorrect use of "racism".
Israeli Citizenship is determined solely by religion. The only reason that a Palestinian can't be an Israeli citizen is they haven't converted to Judaism. That's religious discrimination.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law#:~:text=Every%20Jew%20has%20the%20unrestricted,one%20parent%20is%20a%20citizen.
Otherwise you'd also have to classify the Protestant vs Catholic wars in Europe as racist too.
As I stated, it is not incorrect to use the term racism for religious discrimination, especially not when it involves a religion you can't just join at will. What matters is moreso whether they see themselves as a seperate people from whoever they discriminate against.
But you can! It's in the article I linked.
People are killing each other over land and historical grievances, not whether to call God Allah or Yahweh.
I agree that's part of the culture but it comes down to religion. If you are of Jewish faith, you have automatic citizenship in Israel.
When Ethiopia had its famine in the early 90's, the Ethiopian Jews, who were Black and culturally Ethiopian, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon#/media/File%3AFlickr_-_Government_Press_Office_(GPO)_-_LINE_OF_ETHIOPIAN_IMMIGRANTS_STREAMING_OUT_OF_THE_HERCULES.jpg were evacuated to Israel simply because of their Jewish faith. Race had nothing to do with their becoming Israel citizens.
Biologically speaking, there is only one human race. So, does that make the word "racism" invalid? It's a stupid term whose origin makes no sense, but I'd argue its meaning had transcended its original linguistic root. Same for anti-"semitism".
The colloquial term for a group with common physical features is race. That biologists have a different technical meaning isn't relevant. If you deny that people categorize others and call it "race" then you deny racism.
Racial:
"relating to the major groupings into which humankind is sometimes divided on the basis of physical characteristics or shared ancestry."
But this is religious discrimination. I've already shown that neither ethnic group nor racial group matters in this situation.
Who the fuck supports Hamas? It's an actual terrorist organization that's oppressing people in Palestine
You would be surprised. Some people are fucking insane.
Every source I find suggests that Hamas has significant support from the people of Palestine
Damn I wonder why the people being subjected to genocide support the group fighting the genociders?
I just can’t work it out.
You're telling me that you haven't seen those green headbands at 'peace rallys'? They're at every one I've seen on the news. Including the one where they attacked Santa LoL.
Those are Hamas flags. Dunno what that could be other than support.... they're rocking the merch.
Colloquially yeah it makes a lot of sense to say Hamas is antisemitic, the word means hatred for Jews regardless of the etymology of 'semite'. Take it up with marriam-webster, not the people correctly using the modern definition of the word
if you choose to believe that Hamas is not antisemitic that's your prerogative. I only note that so long as there is a hatred of Jews the word is being used correctly.
I hear both (non-settler) Jews and Christians live in Gaza, that wouldn't be possible if Hamas was all about Jew hating...
Where have you heard Jews live in Gaza?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
Israeli Jews is what most people think in this context
It says in the wiki article that they became Israeli citizens. What are you on about?
Yet people still claim the label "Palestinian Jew" - are we to deny their claim to belief?
(Different commenter here.)
I've heard there are a few Jews living among the Arab population of the West Bank. I've heard nothing about Jews living in Gaza except for Israeli colonists who have since moved out. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that non-colonist Jews would live in the occupied territories, because they are free to move to Israel by virtue of being Jews.
There is a small population of Arab Christians living in Gaza, and I would assume in the West Bank as well, though I can't recall hearing about them specifically.
You're not supposed to use the new one, it doesn't fit the narrative.
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I can't argue with their charter, but their actions don't reflect their words.
I guess that would make Israel anti-Semitic as well.
Oof, either you're just grossly misinformed and performing a cringey "ackchually", or you're anti-semitic yourself and perpetuating anti-semitic rhetoric.
While yes, both are Semitic people, the term 'anti-semitic' was specifically coined by Nazi Germany to make their genocide seem like it had a basis in science. They specifically used it to refer to Jews. Nobody uses "anti-semitic" to mean all semites except hate groups and holocaust deniers who are trying to say "see, it doesn't even mean Jews specifically! Jews are just playing the victim!"
I will assume you're simply ignorant or misinformed, but feel free to correct me if this was actually an intentional dog-whistle.