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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 83 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don't know your pay until after the work is done?

"Tipping" is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 69 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (33 children)

They already know the pay. If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right?

So you're criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid.

Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them.

[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often.

[–] Rivalarrival 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge...

[–] Rivalarrival 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And I don't, specifically for that exact reason.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Tips are no longer tips and companies have successfully forced us to pay their employees for them.

It's not the customer's fault. In addition to us paying their wages we have to trust some rando to do a good job with zero evidence they will.

[–] Rivalarrival 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they don't fulfill your expectations, you inform DoorDash. They hand out full refunds like candy.

That "rando" is not a DoorDash employee. You're hiring a contractor through a broker, not asking a restaurant to send a waitress to your table.

The employee-waitress can't refuse you service without getting herself fired, but a contractor-driver can tell you exactly where and how far to shove your bullshit offer.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. I realize they aren't employees. That's the root of the problem. They should be employees and paid by their employer. If they can't run their business that way, then that clearly shows that it's an exploitative and shitty business model that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I do not appreciate Doordash offloading its responsibility of paying and "disciplining" its workers onto customers. Do you honestly have no problem with that?

They hand out refunds like candy.

That is assuming that I have the time and remember to do this, not to mention that I shouldn't have to do it.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's nothing to flip, gratuity and wages should be separate things. And minimum, standard living wages should be paid.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The point of tipping (to the tipper) is to show appreciation for the quality of service you received. If service is shit, you don't get tipped as much.

Tipping before you get the service means quality of service plays no part in the transaction.

[–] Cornerspace@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

America’s view that tipping is normal needs to change.

How about an adequate wage instead, like the rest of the developed world?

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