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What's the point? Someone who wants to kill themselves will probably find another way. It's not like there's a shortage of ways to commit suicide. I could literally list 1000 ways to do it in this comment but I'm too lazy.
"Oh man, there's a net over the bridge, I guess I'm not killing myself now. Oh well." — Someone living on an 8th floor.
Go for the root cause and attack the mental health issues...
Barriers and safety nets at suicide hotspots can reduce rates by 90%
You're right that someone who is firm in their decision will find another way, but this helps to stop impulse suicides.
So we're tackling a fraction of the suicides (only impulse) from the 2000 people who killed themselves in that place over 100 years. So 20 people per year. Let's say 50% of those were caused by impulse because we have no statistics. 10 per year in a city with 2.5K suicides per year.
Someone who wanted to commit suicide by impulse and didn't do it there will probably feel the impulse again somewhere else. So again, doing the 50% rule, let's say you saved only 5 of the 10.
Go for the root cause. This is just a waste of money.
Is it? You're trying to twist the numbers by adding your own random rules but a 90% reduction is pretty significant. If I might suggest it you are are wrong and you need to learn to deal with it.
I'm wrong because I'm saying they could have invested this money tackling the root cause which would have saved many more lives? OK.
What if, and it's just a thought, they invested in tackling the root cause and did preventative measures at suicide hotspots to help prevent suicide and we don't criticize anyone for at least succeeding at one of those two?
The cost is 76 million without maintenance. Is that reasonable? That amount of money invested in mental Healthcare could have saved more people.
Yes, it is reasonable if it stops suicides. How about investing money in both?
Even in countries with robust mental healthcare have suicides.
So it is reasonable to put nets in every window then? Or when does it stop being reasonable? My point is that the amount of people this will stop doesn't justify the investment. Would it be reasonable if it stopped 1 person per decade?
"Yes because it saves lives".... No... It wouldn't. "It saves lives" is not a valid argument. The valid argument would be the cost-benefit. The point is that the cost doesn't justify the benefit in this scenario, and they could get a higher benefit doing something else with the money.
I can't believe I have to explain things like this, like I'm talking to a teenager.
What about having a robust mental Healthcare before throwing money at anything like this?
How do you calculate the benefit here? What is the benefit of one saved life worth in dollars?
2 lives are worth more than 1
Damn bro, just admit when you're wrong and move on.
It's harsh but I agree, seems like not seeing the forest. This money probably could've saved more people were it used more efficiently. Are we gonna do netting around every tall thing in this world?
I'd argue the real root of the problem is the disparity in wealth.
I don't know, do we have demographics on suicide per income levels?
More equal societies are happier ones.
Makes sense, it's not about who is rich and poor but about being equals.
It looks like it’s still saving the people that made impulsive decisions, and for everyone else more determined, you’re right they will still go.
But a life saved is a life saved my dude, and about 30 people a year were jumping off before the net, you can’t assume every one of them will just off themselves somewhere else.
I'm not saying "don't save lives", I'm saying "you could have saved more lives with the same money"
While that’s true, you literally started the conversation asking what the point was, and the few saved lives is the point.
It’s also impossible to calculate the amount of lives saved over time from the preventative effect of people deciding not to use it now since it may not work.
They can always raise more money to now spend elsewhere, but those lives lost are forever.