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While undeniably horrible...
It's important to remember that's pretty much how all Palestinians have been forced to live for generations.
At any moment IDF can burst in, and either kill or abduct you and torture you.
Neither side should be doing it, but one side does it constantly for 70 years now. When the little guy manages to get a single punch in on the bully, it doesn't seem rational to excuse the bully for years of aggression and act like there was no reason they got punched.
Especially if the bully beats the crap out of the little guy for getting that punch in.
The little guy can't do anything else except stand there and take it. The bully can stop being a bully whenever they feel like it.
It's asymmetrical, both sides don't have equal power to stop it.
I’d dismissive to just Palestine as “the little guy” who tried a punch.
What happened to Palestine was awful, but they’ve been launching rockets into Israel and Israel was formed after Palestinians attacked them.
They were a neglected part of the Ottoman Empire, then the Brits and French promised them a united Arab state if they overthrow the ottomans, so they did, then the Brits and French reneged and strongly favoured Jewish settlement (Jews were being lynched in Europe, so it was kind of an easy solution to support them leaving at the expense of someone else). The British pulled out, the Palestinians attacked the Jews, it started a civil war and Israel won their independence and claimed the land.
There’s no clear right side or clear big guy or little guy. Is just generations of shit for hundreds of years coming to a head.
Hamas is awful and has been lobbing rockets at Israel for years and uses human shields, the Palestinian people deserve better, and it’s wrong for Israel to ignore the collateral damage they’re inflicting in this “ends justify the means war” are all true.
You need to read up on the history of the Zionist movement, the map of the proposed state of Israel pre-1948, Haganah/Irgun militias, and the Nakba.
Imagine living under British Imperialism, having another group of people decide that your land is their ancestral homeland, your land is now the useless desert while your coastal home is no longer yours. Imagine not fighting back after this.
This premise is already far-fetched
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#:~:text=From%201897%20to%201948%2C%20the,first%20Zionist%20congress%20was%20organized.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
It's disingenuous to post those wikis without also posting these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
and because people can't separate acknowledgment of reality from support of it - I don't support Israel, which is occupying some Palestinian lands, and is undeniably oppressing Palestinians who deserve to be free. At the same time, other parts of the land are the ancestral land of the Jewish people, they didn't just "decide" this or "turn up one day" out of nowhere, it's historical fact. But you know what? Both can be and are true, and ignoring history doesn't change that, it only makes your position weaker because you're clearly speaking from ignorance, deliberate or otherwise, and don't (or refuse to) understand the true complexity of this conflict and the history of the region.
It’s disingenuous to post that the Palestinians attacked Israel apropos of nothing.
You also clearly didn’t read the UN proposal link which discusses Jewish diaspora in the background section and you just decided to defend genocide out of the blue I guess lmao
Diaspora is near universal when it comes to ethnic groups so not a strong case. As an American, should I be able to claim some lands of France because it’s my ancestral homeland? Turns out the idea of ancestral land is stupid, because everyone lives in the now and fighting over the sins of our fathers is abject stupidity.
Jews have lived in Palestine, even after being expelled by Romans, but so have non-Jews.
Extending this line of thinking, I guess you also support movement for Native Americans to obtain their land back? The US and Canada is occupying some First Nations lands. Going further, should the Celts reclaim Britannia and kick the English out? This is a ridiculous argument.
Should these living residents of Canaan kick out the Israelis because they were there first?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/bible-canaanites-wiped-out-old-testament-israelites-lebanon-descendants-discovered-science-dna-a7862936.html
Would love to see a source for this "historical fact." And no, the Bible/Torah isn't a historical document. The sources I see cited in that first wiki page (notably 1, 2, 3, and 4) aren't very convincing.