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The fact that people were registering .ml domains for projects like this is mindboggling. There are many TLDs to pick from without infringing on the terms of use of a country-specific one.
My thoughts exactly. You should not be choosing TLDs that are volatile to upsets like this. Stick with the tried and true .com or .net, or one of the new TLDs that are not bound to a nation (unless you can comply with the stipulations) or particular type of organization.
Or if you absolutely have to, choose the TLD of a country you live in.
That works, too. I'm on lemmy.ca. Buying a .ca domain requires confirmation of citizenship or other qualification before you can even use it.
Back in the day, like early 90's when they were managed by the university, they also hand reviewed each request. I had a customer with a registered company name something like "Wood Supplies Canada Inc." and they wanted "woodsuppliescanada.ca". They rejected it because "...canada.ca" was superfluous ...
Agreed. I went with lemmy.ca since I'm Canadian and the instance is in my country.
I also heard Lemmy should perform a little quicker for me too this way.
No, practically speaking the domain name should have no effect on access time. DNS has so many layers of caching that as long as SOMEONE has accessed the website nearby (including you), the domain lookup will be local and therefore fast.
Anyway, DNS lookup times, even slow ones, are still not going to be noticable to the end use originally.
No, I meant the instance itself. The server. The one who runs lemmy.ca is here in Canada with me.
It's like when playing a game; You choose servers closet to you for the lowest ping time.
The other reason I neglected to mention was I like to support local. 😎
It makes a difference for a game, but it's not really significant for a website.
The server load and resources will have a much bigger impact on performances than geographic proximity.
And you spread that server load by selecting different servers. While what you're saying is technically true, in a practical sense if everyone picked a more local server that would be one way to achieve what you're saying.
Even gTLDs aren't entirely safe. .dev is iffy right now because only Google can give those out and Google domains is going away.
.dev was stupid from the beginning due to how many local domains like that...
Alright https://lemmy.zip it is!
Edit: No way someone already did it
Hello there stranger. As completely factually appointed ambassador of lemmy.zip, I'd like to extend a warm welcome to all and am glad to see you've discovered our existence.
Zip is the dumbest TLD of all. It is a phishers dream come true. invoice.zip explains it.
damn that theme is nice
What the hell, how am I just hearing about this now?
They didn't even tell domain holders.
Yeah I wasn't thrilled when I heard the news. I have one maybe two domains with Google and I'm going to be shipped off to somw third party for my renewal. I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure the domain business is being sold to one of those "build your website with us in half an hour" companies and I just cannot wait for the go-daddy like service...which I left go-daddy because of.
.com and .net are under US jurisdiction they are not stateless. I could also see why the original lemmy developers would not want to use such a domain.
but ML also can stand for Marxist Leninist and im sure has been the the way it was read by most early adopters
The official and authorized use for the TLD is an association with Mali. It doesn't matter what hip new meaning us internet dweebs want to assign to it.
Kinda funny considering they got the ml domain to mean Marxist-Leninist and then would get fucked by nationalization
They didn't.
Yes, and q-tips aren’t for cleaning your ears.
The difference being that Unilever won't confiscate your Q-Tips for cleaning out your earwax.
Yet.
lmao, sure, the ear wax cops are gonna show up at your door to raid your garbage cans for waxy cotton swabs
No, stop spreading this nonsense, it was never chosen because of that. It was used because it was free and the developers don't care about creating funny names with the DNS or for glorified expensive DNS.
Hey, that is me from the past.
Or machine learning. There's at least one ML based project that got a headache out of this yesterday.
Dang I hope lemm.ee is safe. Hopefully Estonia doesn’t decide the same.
Well, I'm an Estonian citizen at least 😅
I didn't even consider .ee to be a country domain. I thought you used it for the catchy name.
That's pretty cool.
afaik all the two-character TLDs are for countries
They needed the one that stood for "marxist-leninist" is why, in case you were unaware.
Nope: https://lemmy.ml/comment/58293
Heh, what a tool. Nothing's stopping him from just using ip addresses, or the reverse that whoever provides the server ip almost guaranteed have set up. But no, he wants a fancy looking one, so it HAS some value or he wouldn't need one, and a domain require name servers, and people administrating and maintaining it. He just don't want to pay for that part. And come on, a domain is like 15 dollars a year?
Turns out it was free for a reason. 😅
Well 2y ago that's what the marxist-leninists here claimed anyway.
Btw, that link either leads to the wrong post or jerboa is broken lol, however from the "nope" I can infer that it is meant as a refutation so fuck it.
Here's a quote from dessalines on said post that explains it:
So then in a sense it is marxist in nature, as this answer hints to marxist values with "buying them feels like acquiescing to the digital enclosure of the commons."
However when this place was all marxist-leninists 2y ago, they made it very clear that it was a ML instance, by ML, for ML, and they claimed that .ml stood for marxist-leninist. As to when they decided that was no longer the case I have no clue, but that was the claim until redditors came and drowned them out a bit.
Which is pretty funny, because as far as I can tell, they're actually Stalinists.
I don't pretend I can make sense of them, I just know what was claimed when I showed up 2y ago. I think the stalinists are mostly the ones that broke off to form lemmygrad iirc, as lemmy.ml was supposed to be a marxist-leninist deal, and it was one until the reddit exodus.
This is terrible news to me, as an OCaml’eer.
There goes all my potential cool project domains … 😭
Well, and it's not like this should take anyone by surprise, it's been 10 years coming. Unless Mali was telling people not to worry and then did an about face? I haven't seen anything to indicate that.
For anyone that wants to learn more about internet domains, the MKBHD Waveform podcast has an awesome episode about this topic. It’s a super interesting listen where they talk about how the internet works and one of the organizations behind it (ICANN).
ICANN and the 7 Keys to the Internet
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