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US intelligence indicates that President Xi Jinping’s sweeping military purge came after it emerged that widespread corruption undermined his efforts to modernize the armed forces and raised questions about China’s ability to fight a war, according to people familiar with the assessments.

The corruption inside China’s Rocket Force and throughout the nation’s defense industrial base is so extensive that US officials now believe Xi is less likely to contemplate major military action in the coming years than would otherwise have been the case, according to the people, who asked not to be named discussing intelligence.

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[–] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Of which? Last I looked at Wiki the US has 11 aircraft carriers in service.

China with two ramped smaller ones. Apparently one was formerly a casino and the other is a clone.

Tonnage is another decent metric. US has 4.6 million tons to Chinas 2.

The capability of the tonnage is a whole other twist. Force multipliers like mid air refueling, AWACs, stealth etc

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Aircraft carriers, so 11. Aren't they working on 1 or 2 more as well?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The plan is to phase in Ford-class carriers to replace the Nimitz-class. There is supposed to be 10 total in the end.

That said, the US DoD is doing its usual sandbagging thing where it says China could totally overwhelm the US Navy in an extended conflict and that means we need to make an even bigger navy. Commenters elsewhere in the thread comparing preschoolers to SWAT teams are off base; China's ships and planes aren't on the same level as the US, but quantity in a conflict near China's borders would still be a problem. Still, pretending the US military is behind is a budget tactic that worked all throughout the Cold War, and it's working again. It's why the military-industrial complex is such a problem.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So are they going to try and get funding to keep the old ones running or are they legit going to be decommissioned and just make more Fords?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

I don't think they'll try to keep the Nimitz class going. Part of the reason for a whole new class is that the Nimitzes didn't have enough power for some of the upgrades the Navy wants. If there are even more total carrier groups to be made, it'll probably be all new ones.

Who knows, though. The non-nuclear Kitty Hawk lasted into the 21st century.

[–] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Yep. It's a big navy.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Much as I love to toot Murica's horn US's fleet figures become less daunting when you consider the areas of interest and responsibility they cover. China has one long coast line and offshore interests, (and yes some rather optimistic claims and attempts to create islands to expand their influence) compared to US fleet having 2 major coastlines, Alaska and Hawaii, to say nothing of areas of interest and defense commitments to allies.

Under ideal circumstances US can only ever afford to have a third of it's fleet in any single theatre, where China can theoretically put almost all of their fleet into a single theatre, granted that theatre basically needs to be the Pacific Ocean.

US still has the clear advantage the moment you step away from coastal waters but its not nearly as big as first glance.