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[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The longer route costs an additional million dollars in diesel alone. Even if you don't care about the enormous economic impact, the environmental impact alone is huge.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh okay, so we're killing people over causing environmental damage? Let's murder the CEO of Nestle, BP etc. They deserve it way more!

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You know that isn't what I am saying.

As far as I'm aware, there have been no reports whatsoever of non-military targets being hit in the strikes. Targeting the infrastructure being used by a non-state group to disrupt the most critical trade route on earth is absolutely proportionate.

The CEOs of those companies should be prosecuted instead, however there is not appropriate legislation for environmental damage in the UK and US.

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just like how Israel "only targeted valid military targets," right? Yeah...

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Well yeah, except with the key difference of it being true

If there were credible reports of civilian targets being hit then it would be very different

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Military targets like Sanaa's international airport? To deter Ansarallah launching... Missiles and boats?

Either US CENTCOM is dumber than I thought, or it's just a cover to continue the Saudi genocide of Yemen.

[–] iain@feddit.nl -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You know that isn't what I am saying.

It is what you're implying. Even in this very comment: you just assume that violence is appropriate for protecting a trade route, but we have to be very nice to CEOs of companies that destroy the environment and use slave labor. Please examine your own biases and see the consequences.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Nonono, you've decided on my behalf, based on pulling shit out of your ass, that I'm cool with companies doing environmental damage and slave labour.

If Amazon set up shop in Yemen and started blindly destroying and siezing ships in the red sea, they'd be getting bombed too.

Additionally, you've presented a false dichotomy - protecting trade in the red sea is not mutually exclusive with prosecuting corporations for climate crime.

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Amazon isn't at war with Israel. Ansarallah IS, and they're perfectly within their rights to enforce a blockade.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The houthis aren't formally or de facto at war with Israel either, though you're right that they are involved.

But affected 3rd party countries are equally within their rights to protect critical trade infrastructure in international waters as well.

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

I guess the missiles and drones launched at Israel were just part of a special military operation then, my bad.

[–] iain@feddit.nl 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying you're okay with it. I'm just pointing out that one offense justifies bombs and the other simply suing the boss (while admitting it doesn't do anything). I'm simply proposing we bomb Nestle before Yemen. In Minecraft of course.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the houthis were acting from US territory, the approach would be very different, but the US government can't exactly go arrest them.

In Minecraft of course

I'm down, what server does nestle use? Time for some griefing

[–] iain@feddit.nl 2 points 6 months ago

Can the US bomb anyone they can't arrest? Don't the Houthis deserve a fair trial by an independent jury? Can any country bomb another country if they feel like it?

I know the answer is that it's because the US it's powerful and doesn't give a damn about people in the global south. But this is a grave injustice and the evil American empire deserves to fall.