Saree also identified the first vessel as the Unity Explorer, which is owned by a British firm that includes Dan David Ungar, who lives in Israel, as one of its officers. The Number 9 is linked to Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement. Managers for the two vessels could not be immediately reached for comment.

Israeli media identified Ungar as being the son of Israeli shipping billionaire Abraham “Rami” Ungar.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-navy-destroyer-and-multiple-commercial-ships-attacked-in-the-red-sea-pentagon-says

However, ownership details in public shipping databases associated the ship’s owners with Ray Car Carriers, which was founded by Abraham “Rami” Ungar, who is known as one of the richest men in Israel.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/yemens-houthi-rebels-hijack-israeli-linked-ship-in-the-red-sea-take-crew-hostage

Just from a quick search. Where did you get your info from? Or did you think that all Barbados flagged ships are owned by people that live full time in Barbados?

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So the ships aren't linked to Israel but companies that own the ships have Israeli citizens somewhere in their higher structure? Or are in some nebulous and unspecified way linked to Israeli citizens? Like neither of those sources even tried to claim the ships even did business in Israel.

What's next? Shaking hands with a Israeli will get you attacked by pirates?

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Instead of using all the logical fallacies you do to avoid learning something that violates your bias, just be intellectualy honest and say "I believe Israel is above the law and they need to be protected at all costs. No other lives are as valuable as Israeli lives" cuz bruh, Yemen attacking a ship owned by the firm of Israel's richest person is a long shot from

What's next? Shaking hands with a Israeli will get you attacked by pirates?

and you know this. Quit playing yourself. Who are you fighting for, anyway?

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you read your own source that ship wasn't owned by that Israeli guy, it's affiliated with him somehow according to the houthies but I can't find any connection to the guy when looking around online.

The first source just straight up said it wasn't an Israeli ship but a British one but one officer was Israeli.

I'm not sure what fallacies you are talking about but I think Israel should absolutely be sanctioned and pressured however possible to stop their genocide. The houthies are only doing piracy on random ship and doing nothing to stop Israel, just using the distraction to justify piracy.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The "shaking hands with an Israeli" thing is called reductio ad absurdum.

I totally agree that Israel should get the same level on sanctions as Russia did after invading Ukraine.

What I think you and a lot of other commenters are unaware of is how convoluted ship ownership is, for tax avoidance purposes. It seems like many people assume that Israeli ships are the ones with Israeli flags and for some reason Bahamas people have a shit ton of ships, probably because there's a lot of water around there, right? This ignorance fuels the acceptance of the narrative that Houthis are rebel scum or pirates that are so dumb they keep attacking the wrong ships, but the truth actually speaks to their sophistication and intent.

Plus so many Israelis are dual citizens, like Dan David Ungar from the article I linked, who is also a British citizen and lives in Israel and is the son of the richest man is Israel, so saying "owned by a British citizen" is not untrue but it is a disingenuous service to the truth.

Let's not fall for the narrative.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even if he owns that ship and no one else does it's still a random ship, if the houthies were actually trying to blockade Israel this would be very different. So far they have attacked 2 Russian oil tankers with no connection to Israel, that alone is enough to see they arent targeting their attacks in any way and it's just piracy with using the troubles inflicted on the Palestinians as a shield. It's literally genocide profiteering.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hadn't heard of the Russian tanker thing, thanks. This must be what you're talking about:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/houthis-mistakenly-target-tanker-carrying-russian-oil-ambrey-report-2024-01-12/

and it says that

Ambrey assessed that the vessel was mistakenly targeted based on outdated publicly available information linking the vessel to the United Kingdom.

"This appeared to be five months old but was still listed as UK-affiliated on a public maritime database," the report said.

So maybe it was the same situation as the other UK-affiliated ship we were talking about, not sure. I still don't understand how you don't equate Houthi action to American sanctions on Russian oligarch ships in the hopes that they convince Putin to stop his war in Ukraine.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

Because they haven't yet targeted a ship supplying Israel. They are raiding ships that are vulnerable and not much else by the look of these attacks, most non-military ships are coming from Saudi Arabia and most are heading to India, not a single one coming or going to Israel.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago

Oh yea, and the "nebulous link to Israelis" is called argument from incredulity.