500
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] TheMongoose@kbin.social 18 points 5 months ago

I mean Star Trek is not much better

What was it like before Disco came out? I know not everyone loved Enterprise, but was there always such a degree of animosity? I always thought Trekkies were generally pretty chill, especially compared to some of the assholes in the Star Wars fandom...

[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well Discovery is definitely the cream of the crop when it comes to a rabid amount of hatred. There is some genuine criticism to be had, don't get me wrong, but people complain of the dumbest things possible for the dumbest reason possible. That or they don't watch the show, only know half baked things and then base everything off of that. Or saw 4 episodes of the first season and gave up but are still hating on it.

However all of those things are not new. When TNG was released it had a similar level of animosity. People fucking hated it. There were some really violent and hateful things said about the actors and even some threats thrown the way of production staff (although I could be wrong on the threats. That's what I remember from a ConPanel anyway). People hated it. A lot of hate was given to the fact that there was a woman as Security chief, nevermind as CMO and as Counsellor. Then the fact that there was a bald and french Captain? Fucking pass. The show was lambasted and hated and didn't start getting accepted until around Season 3 when conventions started turning. The actors all talk about this at conventions saying how it was a while before people started accepting them.

When DS9 came out? Same thing. Black Captain? Instant racism and hatred. New aliens? They all suck. It took until about Season 2-3 for people to warm up to a bit. Voyager? Exactly the same thing. Janeway was hated simply because she was a woman but a lot of people then took issue with her decisions, saying she was "too emotional" and "Kirk or Picard would have done this better". Enterprise? Same deal. Although Enterprise frankly deserves an enormous amount of criticism (thanks to Rick Berman, may the sexist, racist, homophobic, bigoted, hateful motherfucker suffer from a rotten dick until the day he dies), it also got an undue amount of hate simply because it was new. This carried on with the Kelvin timeline movies with Pine. People lost their fucking minds. It was only placated a little when people realized it wasn't a reboot but an alternate timeline and that it was sanctioned by Nimoy himself. Even then people still viciously hated and were opposed to it. Again, people warmed up over time although certain movies like Into Darkness are still particularly hated. Mostly because of some truly awful writing decisions.

So when Discovery rolled around nothing really changed. The same hate. It didn't help that a lot of things were visually new. The show isn't a reboot but a visual reboot. Everything stays within lore and canon, despite peoples complaints otherwise, as things were very carefully chosen to fit within things already established. I've had many discussions with people and no one has ever been able to find a single thing that doesn't jive with pre-established lore. They just are probably not aware of the lore because Trek has so much and I do not blame them for that in the slightest. Picard carried on that tradition although the first two seasons of Picard are genuinely badly written so a lot of criticism is valid. The third season sees also an odd amount of hate based off of feelings but not of actual issues with the story, effects, characters, etc.

The only things that have sort of skated that have been Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds although both of them still do get criticized heavily. Not entirely sure why that happened but I suspect it's because Lower Decks is so drastically different from everything that came before it while being the most heart filled love letter to Trek in history and because SNW got a lot of its backlash during Season 2 of Discovery. However SNW and LD are also just genuinely very good and started extremely well molded as opposed to literally every other Trek show in history where it takes a season or two to find its feet.

Probably more than you asked for in all honesty.

[-] sleepdrifter@startrek.website 8 points 5 months ago
[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago
[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I had no idea...

I do too

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (10 replies)
this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2024
500 points (96.6% liked)

Star Wars Memes

11098 readers
4 users here now

Hello there. Somehow, Star Wars memes have returned. It's not a trap, this is where the fun begins.

Technical note: if you're coming from another star system and are getting a "Subscription pending" message when trying to dock, that's just the console being slow to display the right message. The connection is already established. (Probably.)

==========

IMPORTANT

Do not post the "good friend" or similar copypasta

==========

Special days!

Friday and weekends: Caption contest. An image will be pinned, and we shall make captions for it and post them in the comments.

Wednesday: Theme day. We have Droids day, EU day, poem day, aliens day... Let the pinned post guide you. Memes with the theme are preferred.

==========

Other universes to visit:

!lotrmemes@midwest.social

!risa@startrek.website

Separatist systems:

!didyoueverhear@lemmy.world

!prequelmemes@lemmy.ml

!prequelmemes@lemmy.world

Oh hey some real SW content for a change (perhaps):

!star_wars@lemmy.world

!starwars@lemmy.ml

!starwars@lemmy.world

!starwarstelevision@lemmy.world

==========

Our galactic citizens have requested more specific rules, so here are a few.

The general idea is, if you're looking here for rules, you're probably someone who doesn't need to have them spelled out. You're fine. But anyway:

  1. This is a community for Star Wars memes. This means typically screenshots of Star Wars media with some text or context that's meant to be funny and/or thoughtful. All SW media is welcome: movies, games, comic books, fanart... Other kinds of content, like video links or meta memes (about this community, or Lemmy), are fine as well, just keep it on topic.

  2. We are all friends here, and love (sometimes love to hate) Star Wars. Be nice to each other.

  3. As fans of fictional media, we can be passionate. If you very strongly disagree with something or someone, take a deep breath before reacting. Anger leads to the dark side!

  4. Everything in Star Wars has happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far away, and it's a rich universe of millions of words and millions of years of history. So current Earthly matters really shouldn't concern us here. In other words, leave politics, philosophies and convictions behind the door. This applies even if it's about something related to Star Wars.

  5. Original content is preferred. Reposts are fine, just please limit to a maximum of 3 per day, per citizen. It is recommended, but not required, to mark original memes as (OC) and reposts as (repost).

  6. Local mods are the Jedi council. They may take actions that are necessary to maintain peace and stability of the Republic, even beyond the rules outlined here. Follow their guidance.

  7. Regular rules of the Lemmy.world instance apply.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS