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[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

By that logic, nothing is a human right since you can find food, water and shelter in the wild.

The problem with that logic is that you assume everyone to be physically able and knowledgeable to live off the land.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's right. Nothing is a human right. Many humans have rights outlined in their countries constitutions but even those are easily stomped on with usually little consequence

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And you're saying that shouldn't be the case right ? Right ?

I'd insert that Anakin Padme meme here if I had one ready.

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I'm just saying what is. If you want what I think should be, I'm a non Randian libertarian. Big on personal responsibility and the risk of consequences and consequences of risk, less on being a whiny bitch about everything.

[–] NotJustForMe@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Well, it takes some time to grow up to be able to find food and water. How long until we can walk even?

Food, water and means to provide an upbringing until offspring can care for themselves, those could be considered basic rights.

Housing is so far into the technological advancements, building up on so many other systems, I fail to see how that can be a right.

Air and food on the other hand, and sensible means to acquiring those. Well. There certainly is room for discussion. When people start owning land, keeping others to effectively do those things, they should have to provide alternatives. Or we have to abolish ownership of natural resources at all. Both can't work together. That's ineffective, of course, and makes planning and advancement difficult.

The price of capitalism and ownership of nature should be compensation. Nothing natural about social structures. If they want to continue those money games, they need to play by the rules of nature. Or they'll go down with chopped-off heads at some point.