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A reminder to all you far left and far right nutjobs that think Joe Biden has done nothing significant in office
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this post was submitted on 18 Jan 2024
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You do know that it’s the people demanding and fighting for those things right? Biden only did the minimum while ignoring the peoples actual needs. He answers to his sponsors and his sponsors only. He spent billions on Ukraine and Israel while ignoring the millions of Americans who are worse off now than they were 4-8 years ago. No one is denying what he did. We’re saying it wasn’t enough.
This you?
If so, very based of them.
"Genocide against Palestinians bad. Genocide against Israelis BASED!" - Tankie shitheads
Hol up, where in your quotes did they mention genocide against Israelis? Supporting the end of Palestinian genocide and apartheid isn't calling for genocide of Israelis.
"From the river to the sea!" is a slogan used by both Israelis and Palestinians in support of ethnonationalist aims at exterminating the other from the Levant.
Liberating Palestine in no way means Israelites gets genocided they simply become Palestinians, dumbass.
Someone hasn't been paying attention to the demands of Palestinian nationalists. Or, for that matter, the bootlicking support of some Western leftists for the ethnic cleansing of the 'settler' population of Israel (used explicitly in reference to all of Israel, not the illegal settlements in the West Bank)
Every Palestinian is a nationalist I guess. And good thing I'm not a leftist, I'm Marxist. Leftist is such a vague term as to be meaningless. Get off twitter dipshit.
... nationalism is currently very popular in Palestine, yes.
"I'm not a dog, I'm a pug!"
Uh-huh.
Don't have twitter. Never have.
Would you call me genocidal if this was about America and its many crimes of genocide and stealing land?
If your suggestion was "We should ethnically cleanse the US of everyone except pureblooded Native Americans", yes, I would call you genocidal, the fuck kind of question is that
That's not the argument in either of these cases. We should not purge Jews from Palestine, but we should destroy and dismantle the state of Israel. Jews have lived there peacefully with Muslims for hundreds of years until the west stole land from the Palestinians to give create Israel and watched as the Israeli government committed part one of their genocide decades ago. Now the state of Israel is finishing the job.
Okay, well, short of waving a magic wand, dissolving the state of Israel isn't going to end with everyone joining hands and singing kumbaya.
Oh, the West stole the land from the Palestinians, did we? Jesus Christ. I don't even know where to begin.
Yeah, do you not know how Israel was formed? The western European powers stole land from Palestinians to form the state of Israel. It's extremely well documented and was done at the behest of Zionists and also gave the Nazis exactly what they had originally wanted in the lead up to WWII. Israel is not a Jewish project, but, in fact, a Zionist project.
Yes, as I matter of fact, I do. Apparently, you don't and think Israel came into existence in 1948 by the West sending its supersoldiers to seize land from the helpless Palestinians. The arrival of Jewish settlers in the Levant in the early 20th century is extremely well-documented - and not at the behest of the West. I don't see the point in discussing the history of the region, though, with someone with such a basic lack of understanding of the previous disenfranchisement of Palestinian peasantry under the Ottoman Empire which enabled the arrival of Jewish settlers who purchased land. Unless the Ottoman Empire is also the evil West to you.
All Zionist projects are Jewish projects, though the reverse isn't true. By fucking definition. Come on.
You... think I'm a Zionist because I don't support ethnic cleansing of Israelis or Palestinians?
Sorry that I think genocide is bad in all circumstances?
It absolutely is about genocide, in the mouths of Israelis and Palestinians alike.
Okay, before we continue this discussion - would the ethnic cleansing of every or nearly every Israeli from the territory of modern-day Israel be genocide - yes or no?
This is true
That tankies say that? Or that genocide is only bad when done on the Wrong People(tm)?
It's only genocide if it's against members of a race. I have nothing against the Jewish community, but the world would be better off without the nation of Israel
You're a fucking moron. It'd be funny if it weren't dangerous.
I wish I was surprised at support for genocide on here. I really wish I was.
Don’t insult your own intelligence by pretending that is a good faith reaction.
Nobody feels like explaining to you for the 10000th time that there is clear difference between someone’s feelings on the nation that is called Israel and its associated government…. and Jewish people. Those are two separate concepts but you know that, you are just trying to waste our breath arguing in circles.
If you think genocide of Israelis is fine just because it's not genocide of non-Israeli Jews, you're a genocidal shithead, and I have nothing to say to you.
Again, where does ending the state of Israel mean you have to kill their citizens?
First,
Is pretty clear.
Second, the demands of One-State Solution Palestinian nationalists since the last breakdown of peace negotiations has been, and was historically, the ethnic cleansing of Israelis from the territory of what is currently Israel.
If you have a magic wand you can wave to remove Israel's existence from the timeline, feel free to break it out, but otherwise, we're talking death and mass deportations - you know, what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians right now.