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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

NYC matters a whole lot fucking more than Mechanicville. What do they even want?

NYC has a shit ton of economic and cultural output. It matters.

I get that people might feel bad that they're seen as irrelevant or uninteresting. But, uh, tough?

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

All citizens deserve representation. Taxation without representation is why the USA was founded in revolt against the British.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They literally have representatives. At federal and state levels. And presumably local, too.

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yes but if the representatives aren't representing their populace accurately, then what is a citizen to do? Vote, obviously, but in the meantime?

The unfortunate truth is that largely the state of New York may as well just be the province of New York City, plus a few additional hangers-on that don't really matter beyond a couple percentage points here or there. And those folks out hanging on, upstate, aren't feeling very represented. Because New York City is, essentially, all that matters in the state economically.

I don't know how to solve this in a way that makes sense. I believe that every person is entitled to representation that matches their needs. But when you have a single representative attempting (if they even do that) to represent both the big city and the rural interests at the same time, there are going to be some incompatible requests. And the city wins those, always, because it's the economic driver of the state.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I DO understand economic concerns in these areas making people leery and whatnot, but I am SOOOOOO over this argument that they have NO responsibility to have even the most casual relationship with reality and "What are they supposed to do? NOT overthrow the government and advocate for slavery?! Gtfo here you insensitive libtard!"

If my car's check engine light light comes on I can't replace my spark plugs with twizzlers and expect it to run better, you can't throw a "kill the gays and blacks" parade and expect NYC to send your small county 75% of their tax revenue.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 10 months ago

The reps are based on geography. They have districts. They're supposed to represent those people. The Senate less so, since that's two people for the whole state, but that's a problem for any state that's not fairly homogenous.

I don't really have a good solution that doesn't make some heavy changes to the us government. But within the current constraints, I think cities frankly matter more.

Side note: I've been reading about how people's minds change. It turns out that when someone encounters a fact or statement that challenges their group status, like "cities matter [and the suburbs don't]" above, the brain typically reacts similarly to how it responds to a physical threat. Pretty much no one responds to that kind of thing with a cool rational head. The brain desperately looks for security, even if it has to fall back on "no, fuck you." I do it, too. Makes debate hard.

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