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Paris votes on SUVs: voters back proposal to triple parking fees for SUV drivers (www.lemonde.fr)

submitted 9 months ago by azimir@lemmy.ml to c/fuck_cars@lemmy.ml

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The measure to make vehicles weighing 1.6 tons and over pay 3x the parking rates for the first two hours has passed in Paris.

Now, let's get that in place for London and many other other places to help slow, and even reverse, this trend towards massive personal vehicles.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are deeply unserious if your proposal is just “ban all cars lulz”.

Nice straw man buddy. What we're actually talking about merits of making SUVs a privilege for the rich or banning them.

Congestion pricing and paid parking have objectively reduced traffic in downtowns across the world, and you are deeply unserious if you want to achieve a goal but refuse to do anything to work towards that goal.

Perhaps, it's silly to claim this is the only approach possible.

You are seriously advocating for the massive subsidization of drivers here. I do not weep for the ability of the common man to impose massive externalities on their fellow men and have their behavior be subsidized.

I'm not, but keep on straw manning there. Seems to be what you excel at.

You are acting as if driving cars is a God-given right that poor people are being denied.

Nope, but I've already realized that having a serious discussion with you isn't possible. Bye.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nice straw man buddy. What we're actually talking about merits of making SUVs a privilege for the rich or banning them.

SUVs have always been a privilege for the rich. This policy reduces the amount of people who can afford to drive SUVs downtown. It is a net good despite your aesthetic objections against it.

A world where everyone can afford to drive SUVs is not better than a world where only a few can afford to drive SUVs. The world where everyone can afford to drive SUVs is the American suburb, where car ownership is so heavily subsidized to the point that even poor people drive SUVs. Do you think this is better than Hong Kong or Singapore, where only rich people can afford to drive SUVs?

I'm not, but keep on straw manning there. Seems to be what you excel at.

This is literally your position. Your logic is completely indistinguishable from that of pro-car concern trolling. There is an in-between world between Dallas and utopia. There needs to be an in-between step between car hell and bicycle utopia. Expensive parking is a needed step in the right direction. To refuse to take the first step out of car hell, however imperfect it might be, is to advocate for an indefinite wallowing in the pits of shit.

Nope, but I've already realized that having a serious discussion with you isn't possible. Bye.

And you are simply a deeply unserious person who says they want something but in actuality are advocating for the exact opposite. Good riddance!

In your bizarro world, there are actually no in-between steps between carbon hell and green utopia. Until carbon dioxide is banned, people should just be allowed to emit CO2 for free.

I'm so sorry that you cannot comprehend a world that's in-between "everyone drives SUVs" and "only a few drive SUVs" and understand why the latter world is better than the former world. When you advocate against policy that improves society somewhat on the basis that it doesn't create utopia, you are advocating in favor of the status-quo.

No hard feelings.