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Pretty much in the title. Maybe you wouldn't even use it, but would like to simply see it exist for the sake of having a federated alternative.

For me, it'd be the following:

  • LinkedIn
  • Meetup
  • Tiktok

I am on the first two, but would prefer a federated alternative. I'm not on Tiktok, but would like to see a federated alternative.

I'll admit these might not be a good idea. But as a thought experiment, I'd be curious about the community weigh in on what you all think this might look like.

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[โ€“] chobeat@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No more "alternatives" please. That formula has failed over and over again. We want software that can do what proprietary platforms do not pursue because it's not profitable. Online spaces to build meaningful connections, have interesting conversations with like-minded people, discover new things, be free from trolls and toxicity, possibly without the guilt of polluting the hell out of this planet with hardware and excessive electricity consumption.

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Example? I'm skeptical there's anything that both appeals to a reasonably large audience and isn't monetisable. I'm very skeptical you can do it with less toxicity and computation somehow.

Edit: I suppose dating sites might count. They're very much not optimised for actually finding good partners at this point, because gamified swipe dating keeps people hooked. Computation and toxicity are still pretty intractable.

[โ€“] chobeat@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

to a reasonably large audience

That's a measure of success that makes sense only in a for-profit, growth-oriented environment. Software just has to be sustainable and "bigger" doesn't necessarily imply "more sustainable.

That said, what is now possible with social media is extremely restricted and our idea of what a social media is is constrained by profit motives. Social media could be much more, connect humans for collaboration and exchange instead of data extraction. We are so used to the little crumbs of positive experiences on social media that we normalized it.

Bonfire, for example, if we want to stick to the fediverse, is trying to challenge this narrative and push the boundaries of what a social media is supposed to do.

Another space would be non-siloed notion-like tools.

Anothe entire can of worms would be to go beyond the "dictatorship of the app" and start building software and UX around flexibility and customizability for the average user, rather than keeping this a privilege for tools targeting power users. Flexibility in UX means harder trackability and less CTR, so most end-user "apps" avoid that.

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Okay, sure, you could make an ultra-niche Fediverse app that has integration with a digital toothbrush or something, I'll give you that. If three people can productively use it I'm not sure that counts as a form of social media, though. I'd use a descriptor more like "add-on service". The "social" part means you need a certain number of bodies involved.

What's the deal with Bonfire? As far as I can tell it's microblogging with an emphasis on customisability.

Open source endpoints are great. I'm a big fan.

Edit: Oh hey! They have a blog post about that. So basically, it's another framework on top of ActivityPub. I like the sound of that. From their GitHub they currently integrate microblogging and some weird thing that I can only describe as socially distributed accounting.

[โ€“] chobeat@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

they are also doing a whole flavor just for research-oriented social media, geared towards the OpenScience community and the academia in general. It will launch soon.

Then they have a whole set of collaboration tools and groupware, that now kinda incorporates the basic features of Trello and GitHub, but on top of a social media with granular permission systems. There the use cases are many more, but it's also much more general-purpose than the research flavor. I think the end-game would be to have a platform that acts as a middleware and connect social life, gift-based collaboration, work and consumption in a single open platforms.

I also wrote an article envisioning a federated notion-like tool built on top of Bonfire, that clearly would allow to structure knowledge and implement no-code software on top of Bonfire, but clearly this would require a disproportionate effort for what the project is at the moment: https://fossil-milk-962.notion.site/Fractal-Software-for-Fractal-Futures-71e515597d6b424c994cae74f3341521?pvs=4

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's actually really neat! I'm going to have to play around with Notion so I can tell what you're talking about.