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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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104 minutes! Not today satan.
A ctrl+f on 'sneer' shows me a lot of talking about sneerclub, but guess he didn't actually check reddit and notice that it is no longer there.
And of course the guy is some weird anti pronouns person. ('But somebody might look how you not expect them to look!')
not going to waste my time on a random terf, but i'm happy to see said terf to waste ten times more to write and meticulously cross-reference all that crap.
Not so much a random terf as someone who appears to have been trying to use lesswrong struggle sessions in place of trans conversion therapy for a while now.
Or at least that's my diagonal impression, and I'm also not going over that entire maelstrom just to make sure if they are a rotten egg or not.
Zack seems to want to transition, has detailed logic as to why not to, and is determined to make it everyone else's problem
Demanding that EY et al define “woman” for them so that they can know whether or not they can transition is simultaneously hilarious and deeply sad.
That kind of stuff does make me feel sad, like all the trans people who start out hating on trans people on 4chan. (Don't get me wrong they still suck and they should stop, but I can feel multiple emotions and also feel a bit sad about them)
Yeah i didn’t read much, but at one point in my life i was attempting to do something like that and I see all the telltale signs. The difference is that as a teenager I grew up and developed the emotional maturity to understand that no amount of wanting to not be trans would make me cis, just trans and miserable.
Also I grew up and learned how absolutely bonkers rationalism is as a philosophy.
They seem so deep in that the idea of “what would make me happy” has left the equation long ago
The hilarious part to me is that they imagine Eliezer moderates himself or self-censors particularly in response to sneerclub. Like of all the possible reasons why Eliezer may not want to endorse transphobic rhetoric about pronouns (concern about general PR besides sneerclub, a more complex nuanced understanding of language, or even genuine compassion for trans people), sneerclubs disapproval is the one that sticks out to the author. I guess good job on us? Keep it up!
I’m amazed that the random shitposting of a bunch of nerds who band together purely to dunk on terrible rationalist takes weighs so heavily on their minds. Aren’t they supposed to be above that kind of thing?
They are not really talking about us, they are talking about an imagined group of badguys, for all their talks about intellectual turing tests they fail the most basic ones at their own detractors. This does however worry my paranoid mind, as this does mean that the more deranged parts of Rationalism might try and take action against people from sneerclub. I have no desire to be doxed and then have weird LW/EA kids from local universities visit my home. (or make working in tech harder for me).
When I first started reading Sneerclub I was amazed at how different Sneerclub was vs how the Rationalists described it. Also amazing how much better your mh gets after you stop reading SSC subreddit (this was before they created themotte).
Every sneer is one transphobic act suppressed in fear.