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[–] Stoneykins@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I take peoples claims of telepathic communications with aliens with the biggest grain of salt I can find.

I can't assume there are none that are real, but I can and will assume all day that some people just have alien themed mental quirks. And I don't think poorly of people with less believable stories, I'm just interested in the evidence that is more difficult to explain away.

[–] mrmanager 3 points 1 year ago

Oh OK. Well that explains why you see things the way you do I guess. :)

[–] DaughterOfMars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funny how no one bats an eye when a german shepherd sniffs out a missing person based on almost undetectable particles or a bird knows exactly which direction is north, but we scoff at the idea that there may be ways to communicate with your brain alone. Why? Because that's the stuff of TV and movies -- fiction. Culturally, I think we've been so disheartened by our inability to realize our most extravagant dreams of the future (hovercars and etc) that we have basically fallen into thinking that the mere existence of a topic in science fiction discounts its credibility as a real-world subject. This is why we get articles like "Scientists say they are closer to Star Trek Warp Drive", where everything must be tempered just in case. We don't want to look like we actually believe in Science Fiction, now do we?

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The difference is the dog sniffing and bird knowing what way is north is testable and verifiable while claims of telepathy are not lmao

[–] DaughterOfMars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you think we've always known how that works then? There was never a time when that was simply magic?

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your question is pointless because knowing how something works doesnt matter at all in the context of determining if something exists or not. People didnt know how it worked but they could still watch a dog sniff something and find where it went and watch a bird fly north and say, "yup thats happening right now. Dogs sniff things and can follow the scent and birds always know how to fly north." Its literally impossible to do so with telepathy. I don't know how you can't see that you are operating off of logic that severely misundertands the fundamentals of science. Not being a hater. Telepathy would be sick as fuck if it were real and so would aliens. Im just not gonna act as if they are or operate under the assumption they are until its verifiable. You know?

[–] DaughterOfMars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its literally impossible to do so with telepathy.

Ironic that you believe my logic to be flawed when you are making bold-faces assertions without any evidence.

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have the time or the wherewithal to explain to you why it is currently impossible to do so with our technologies. It involves far too many factors I'd have to spell out for you and it's increasingly clear you probably wouldn't retain the information anyway. I'll leave that Sisyphean task to someone with more patience for people like you than me.

[–] DaughterOfMars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should take a step back and ask yourself why you're posturing like this.

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm thinking maybe a deep breath and a break from the internet might be good for ya if youre that upset that I don't find your logic or reasoning valid. Maybe eat a snack too. That always helps me when I notice I'm getting myself worked up over nothing.

[–] Stoneykins@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you have assumed I've taken a stronger stance against this than I meant to.

The reason I'm less interested in that as evidence is simply because we don't have a way to seperate true from untrue, and if we accept all as true there are obvious contradictions. I'm just focusing on stuff that could be disproven but hasn't, rather than the stuff that can't be disproven yet. Keyword, yet.

I'm of the opinion that it is likely many things people would describe as supernatural exist in some form as something science has not yet understood. IMO "the supernatural" doesn't "exist" simply because its a word we use for the natural that we don't understand.

But that doesn't mean all of everything is true. Mental illness is definitely also a thing, and probably more common than the unexplained.

I try to look at it all with my own proprietary blend of kindness, cynicism, optimism, and skepticism.

[–] DaughterOfMars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't mean to go for your throat, you just brought up a topic I wanted to address. However, I will say that the problem is not that people refuse to believe that telepathy exists. Obviously we have no proof of that. The issue is that people deny that it exists, with no evidence. These people, many of whom would claim to believe in science, are completely ignoring the scientific method. We must accept that either possibility could be true until one is proven. Instead, they take a hard stance that everything is bullshit unless they personally see proof. "I'll believe it when I see it" et al.

Some food for thought. We have already proven that it is possible to read minds, using a simple MRI machine and electro-magnetic fields. We now have neural networks that can describe what you are seeing just by observing the patterns in your brain. Who's to say definitively that telepathy is impossible?

[–] 50gp@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you should get your possible mental health condition checked mate

[–] DaughterOfMars@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm quite sane, but thank you for your valuable contribution. I'm sure you feel good dismissing people you disagree with as mentally unwell.

simple MRI machine

You mean one of the most complex devices humanity has ever made? lmao