Had a guy argue with me for longer than I should have engaged that the problem was toxic feminism and that women’s standards are causing this. That women are raising their sons wrong.

Like, my guy, who is imposing this standard of machismo on men but other men? Who’s calling guys pussies for ordering ‘girly’ drinks at the pub? I’ve never seen a woman do that. Who’s bullying guys in locker rooms for not being manly enough? Women aren’t even in there.

Your problem isn’t feminism, it’s toxic masculinity, enforced by other men. But go ahead and blame women for your problems. We’re used to it by now.

[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As a guy, yeah guys might say those things, I was definitely worried that women were thinking those things.

Now that I am older, I give much less of a fuck. And I feel healthier for it.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

If it makes you feel better, I’ve never once in five decades had private talks with my girlfriends where any of them said a guy wasn’t manly for having feelings or not being a lumberjack-type. Quite the opposite, in fact. Women in my circles fawned over guys who had empathy and didn’t give a fuck what anyone thought about it. Even our teenage heartthrobs were called girly-men by guys.

I’m glad you don’t give a fuck. Stay healthy. :)

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

I mean, yeah. Toxic masculinity doesn't come from women, it comes from the patriarchy. It's all fucking bad for everyone. Worse for women, undoubtedly, but it's really fucking bad for most men too.