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Reddit is a dogshow but Lenny has issues too.
Maybe it’s my instance or some other config but when I open lennmy it’s just wall to wall communist/anti capitalist, open source wanking and musk hate.
Look, people, musk is a cunt, capitalism is ruining not only the planet but yes also the hearts and minds of people and proprietary software probably should be a little less pervasive than what it is but can we, just for one fucking nano second discuss literally anythingbg else?
In my experience (and again perhaps just with whatever I’ve been able to set up) lemmy is tiresome, parochial and very much a one-dimensional experience.
Can any of us remember when Reddit was actually fun? A little of the silliness that made it endearing? Dumb stories about Kevin, incessant nonsense about bacon, when AMA was a fucking legendary little nook of the internet? Surely some of those are the things this community would want to foster, a little light heartedness? Look at the popularity of the Trekkie stuff, nothing to learn there?
It’s cool though, I don’t have to come here and this has all helped me realise that. I’m literally only on here typing this because I’m taking a dump rn.
:)
All your comments are on gay porn my guy.
Hey, 20 bucks is 20 bucks.
I would truly like Lemmy if there were social communities like in reddit instead of what you just described. 2something4you, fantasy, hfy, roleplaying, cats, yurop, etc etc. We need all of that fun stuff
All of those things exist here. I feel like you guys haven’t explored other instances maybe because while the parent commenter is right, there is a lot of the topics they’re tired of, there’s plenty of other stuff. And there’s plenty of fantasy, role playing, cats, there are a few 2[blank]4you spots.
i just use the Everything option in Sync. I expect it to just bring 'everything' available in lemmy
Me too. I spent 8 months blocking communities and it's starting to get bearable.
I've tried roleplaying on Reddit before but I could never get the format of it. just feels really weird rping on a thread with multiple nested posts instead of one constant scroll. I feel like discord is better for RP
Nope. Sorry. Best I can do is 700 Linux communities
There is !cat@lemmy.world and a good number of DND and TTRPG communities.
!rpgmemes@ttrpg.network
!dnd@lemmy.world
!yurop@lemm.ee ?
I don't know what that means.
Can I see that from my lemme account?
Until the fedivrs has a eli5 about how it all works, even tech minded people like will find it a frustrating experience to find subs that I want to participate in
What are you using to browser Lemmy? The website and the apps usually just allow you to click on links like the one before to visit a new community. And that is valid for every lemmy instance, so you should be able to see it from your Lemmy.world account.
Interesting communities for you
Dude, yesterday was the Superbowl and there was no thread for it (other than one hating on it) on the front page of Lemmy. That was a depressing realization to me.
It's not mainstream, not even close. It literally is what you said and some memes. Maybe one day it'll have a better breadth of content. Reddit content right now is much better to the general user.
Also taking a dump rn.
Honestly you don't have to mute a lot of communities to get a feed with less of those.
And you'd be surprised how better it is to engage with people you disagree with here as long as you're civil, with the exception of a few trolls or extremely online people.
It's definitely a big step up from Reddit and the quality of the content is great when curated and if you don't open it more than 2 or 3 times a day for less than 10min.
It's not civil though. You get banned at the drop of a hat for gently questioning the commie dogma even as a leftist.
The frustrating part is that these communities are extremely far outside of the academic mainstream but they simply refuse to hear it. I am far from a troll, you can check my comment history if you want. But I keep catching bans for merely being a voice for a different kind of leftist thought. It's exhausting.
You’re probably not leftist if you’re getting banned for expressing your views.
Caveat: I haven’t read your comment history but I’m going to now and I’ll come back and edit this comment with a more informed view.
Edit: I’ve read a lot of your comments and as best I can tell you’re a Social Democrat and that’s probably the issue. Feel free to correct me.
Lmao you're exactly the kind of person socsa is talking about
I don’t really care one way or another, I have my own political views.
I was more trying to unpack why this person kept getting banned.
A lot of people who claim to be leftist aren’t actually leftist and this can be shocking.
Oh no, they're merely quite radical in the context of US politics, or mainstream leftist in the context of Scandinavian politics! You're right -- they must be shunned and mocked for this, that's a surefire way for a fringe group to win hearts and minds...
I don’t think many consider a Social Democrat radical.
Social Democrats don’t wish to dismantle Capitalism. Hardly a radical take.
On the contrary, I think your information bubble is pretty limited if you think that a social-democratic position isn't on the leftward fringe of the Overton window in America, where large parts of the political spectrum believe "the invisible hand" obviates the need for market regulations, and even the most basic and punitive of social safety-net programs get tarred as "communism!" by the mainstream right.
Yeah America isn’t the world and I don’t listen to the opinions of people who are ignorant on this topic (to be clear I’m not directing that at you) what I’m saying is that people certainly do hold the view you’ve described; that a Social Democrat is radical left, but that simply is not the case when you have some cursory knowledge of political theory (I assume you agree with this).
No... the point I am trying to make is that whether a position can be described as "radical" depends on the larger social and political context. Supporting communism was a radical position in Russia in 1915, but in 1925 it was mainstream. Supporting the monarchy was a mainstream position in France in 1785, but in 1793 it was dangerously radical. You can't just arrange every political ideology that's ever been imagined on a chart and then declare them "radical" or "mainstream" simply based on how far away from the center of the chart they are, because what's mainstream (and how far away away from that you can drift without being seen as an extremist) depends on the larger sociopolitical milieu.
I suppose we disagree then.
I think the case can be made that certain political ideologies are radical regardless of whether the society at large considers them radical or not.
How else do we distinguish what is truly radical and what is not then?
The whole issue is this kind of pigeonholing and purity testing. My most controversial conjecture is first that political science isn't a static thing, and that so much of "the left" seems more interested in relitigating the cold war and "eat the rich" fan service than actually engaging in pragmatic policy debates. This is why i much prefer to discuss politics in terms of first principles instead of labels, and for whatever reason, this rubs a lot of leftists the wrong way.
I believe that individual liberty is essential to democratic agency, and that democratic agency is critical to the administration of a just state. Any socialist state must rest on this foundation and not route through autocracy. You will find that I am very focused on the human side of socialist praxis - what are so many people skeptical of these ideals? What does modern socialism actually look like in practice, and how do modern socialists win support of a relatively comfortable middle class? I see social justice as a key aspect of this, as it tears down social structures which marginalize and exclude. This is also why I balk at some of the more obnoxious "class warfare" rhetoric on Lemmy in particular, because it serves to divide and exclude, not unite and elevate.
I am very skeptical of overly utopian visions, and liturgical populism, as these are historically distractions which serve to divide workers the same way culture wars do. I actually believe that these are some of the primary roadblocks to the above questions, and the rhetoric in online leftist spaces is often extremely counterproductive in this way.
I would describe myself as something like a democratic socialist, leaning more towards the libertarian/syndicalist side of the spectrum, but again - I tend to see such labels as uselessly modernist. I think material scarcity is a primary driver of economic injustice, and a big part my ideology revolves around substituting capitalism's role in resolving scarcity with more egalitarian economic structures. Rather than setting the world in fire, this starts with some basic things like mandating worker shares and worker councils for all industries. In general, the idea is to extend and scale the whole "means of production" to a more generalized labor landscape where we aren't just dealing with factories and machines, via wholesale democratization of the workplace.
Political labels are just a heuristic to shortcut longer conversations.
Sure fidelity is lost but time saved is nice. I wouldn’t be worried using them so long as you know what you mean when you use them.
It sounds like you’re conflating socialism with deprivation of individual liberties, if you can’t conceive of a socialist state where that isn’t the case then I’m not sure what to say.
Modern socialists that aren’t authoritarian aren’t advocating for that.
However a socialist state and maximising individual liberties are in opposition to each other. How can we expect the best outcome for the majority without curbing certain individual rights? Like for example, firearm ownership.
If you agree that capitalism must be dismantled then you’re a leftist in the true sense.
If you think there are redeeming qualities to capitalism then you’re not leftist.
Lemmy in my experience is just leftists arguing with each other about the best way to dismantle capitalism.
Anyone who thinks capitalism is salvageable gets berated, in my opinion, rightly so.
I am not at all stating that autocracy is a feature of socialism, I am very much arguing for the exact opposite of that. And to that end, I refuse to make tyrants into folk heroes, as so many internet leftists do, and acknowledge that this is one of the things which puts me in conflict with many of these communities. Refusing to learn from the mistakes of past socialists isn't cool, it's stupid.
When I speak of liberty being a necessary condition of democratic agency, I am talking about things like free expression, civil rights and free assembly. Again, this is pretty simple - you can't have democracy without the ability to freely engage with political questions. I absolutely agree that if online leftist communities were more open to engaging honestly about the failings of past movements in the regard, this conversation would definitely be extraneous. First principles, and whatnot.
In terms of capitalism itself, it is the manifested corruption of a few organic economic primitives. Capital itself is merely a tool, like markets, and commerce, and fiat value proxies. If you dismantle the corruption and place control of these tools in the hands of the people, you have dismantled capitalism. Good job team. This is the thesis of democratic socialism, and it is far from controversial among actual democratic socialist. It is only controversial among people whose knowledge of socialism is primarily built on edgy revolution fan service.
At first, I registered on Lemmy.world but, after a while, it was unbearable. Sometimes I couldn't log in because the servers were overloaded, sometimes because they were updating. When they decided to defederate certain instances, I went to eslemmy...until it disappeared without warning. I had the same luck with firefish.social. I signed up to try it out, it looked promising, but it was very slow. Now it's dead too.
For me, Lemmy was not yet ready for the amount of users coming from Reddit.
I like being able to hear all the different narratives, but if you have sync for lemmy as your client app you can block instances now
I do hope another reddit influx will drown out the circle jerking