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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by chalkman@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works

The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Is it not a much more powerful message if the fediverse as a whole down votes the stuff into oblivion. If they are isolated it becomes an us vs them game with them playing the victim.

When they see that by and large they are ignored and downvoted they might grow up and realize they are acting like dicks.

[-] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

It's not a matter of the opinions being unpopular and thus toothless. By federating with them we are giving them a larger platform to get their message out to those who will believe it.

You don't see their communities unless you subscribe. If their users are posting in our communities and breaking the rules of the communities then their posts will be deleted and the users banned.

There are moderation options other than de-federation. De-federation is an option of last resort to protect the greater community from violence, abuse and crime. De-federation is not a tool for sending a political message.

You can personally block that entire server and you will never see anything from them.

[-] chalkman@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

You see their shit if you sort by new. Are you like a kbin user? Maybe shit works differently for you.

My username shows @Difficult_Bit_1339 to you, so we're on the same instance. If it had @lemmy.world then I would be a user on the lemmy.world instance.

If you choose 'All' instead of 'Local' or 'Subscribed' then you see everything that exists, yes. I wouldn't recommend that since it is an incredibly spammy experience. That being said, you can block any community like so:

[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tbh that sounds like how people are pushed into extremism. When an open dialog is kept, there is at least a chance a thought provoking discussion would change a mind, even if it's just one mind. I don't really know, I don't mind defederating in this instance ftmp, nothing of value for me there so whatever.

I guess these ppl are already extremists, so 🤷

[-] Frz@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

I agree with this. Isolating communities that have odious beliefs only lead to those beliefs being echoed and intensified in their small spaces, and hence become more extreme over time. It’s not “nipping the issue in the bud” like many people seem to think it is, it’s the complete opposite. Past a certain line we definitely should cut ties, but I guess it’s debatable where that line should be drawn.

[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think that, in these instances, there is a sort of nuance and humanness that is kinda glossed over.

Its not really that hard to imagine ending up like that. Im not apologizing for them, I'm just saying that we are in a constant fight with our own biology and alot of stuff depends on circumstance.

What these people, apparently, need is some lsd or smth cause they are all stuck in their heads. They hate themselves. It's all projection and protection of something they don't even understand.

Should we just let them wallow in their own shit? What is our duty to them, if any? I'm not really sure tbh. But I know pretending that it's not real ain't gonna fix shit.

[-] Snowpix@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

They know they're acting like dicks, they're openly proud and revel in it and it's a core, fundamental part of who they are. Hateful bigots such as them don't have any interest in changing who they are or improving their behaviour, they will just shift the goalposts and double down every time they are challenged. It's been proven time and time again that they are not looking to be reasonable.

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