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[–] Othello@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

we have so many empty buildings its insane, sure we made need to fix some up but thats clearly the sensible option. think about the environmental cost.

[–] frankfurt_schoolgirl@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If the empty buildings are in the middle of nowhere and aren't designed for efficiency than reusing them might be worse for the environment.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

im not an expert but thats sounds unbelievable.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Half of the issue is only a problem under capitalism, but the other half is real.

Yes, it may be more work and require slightly more expense to retrofit and remodel an older home into being as efficient as an average more recent home than to just slap up a builder special house. It will never be as efficient as a home designed for maximum efficiency over the whole service lifetime of the home, but the reduction in resources needed and ability to reuse and recycle parts from homes that are being retrofitted and remodeled are major advantages, as is the quality increase from doing it right instead of slapping up McMansion shit.

The actual problem is that most of the vacant homes in the US are in the middle of nowhere, either vacation homes or in extremely rural areas, very far from everything you need to work and live. Most abandoned homes are abandoned for a reason, not just because they're kinda crappy.

Refitting office buildings into housing is a whole different story, and many genuinely would need to be completely torn back to the bare frame or just demolished to convert them into livable housing, not only because of building codes but because the structures are designed very differently and would likely result in many homes without any windows at all unless you make super weirdly-shaped apartments. Water, HVAC, and electrical are also concerns, as they can only be controlled centrally which a lot of people don't like.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

ok that makes sense!

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago

the remodeling required to do plumbing alone can be less efficient than a new build. If it's a 40+ year old structure you'll make up a lot of energy efficiency gains over time. Some office park not near any schools, grocery stores, social services, or real jobs will incur a bunch of travel costs since there definitely isn't already transit. Maybe it's not better day one but like an electric car replacing a gas one you'll catch up on total emissions well within the service life.

i don't know enough to be in charge of such a project but seen-this-one and if you don't want to throw out what little occupancy code we have it's apparently non-trivial to convert a cubical farm into living space