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I dream of a world where nobody has a job they have to do for money.
corn pop he can't stop
time and time again
corn pop we won't stop
we'll never give up my friend
corn pop find the sweet spot
time and time again
That sounds like hell, making money is a blast. If everything was truly equal we would all be living in extreme poverty. Global average income is $9,733 USD per year. I make that in a week, hard pass on that commie bullshit.
Going to work so I can eat and pay rent fucking sucks, what are you talking about? The fact that you even conceptualize economic output as being all about money means you're missing the point of an economy. Money is a representation of wealth, not wealth itself. You can't eat money, shelter yourself from the elements with money, cure diseases with money, etc. Having access to goods and services is a blast, but money is nothing more than a mechanism to facilitate trade and the distribution of wealth.
The "commie bullshit" is entirely your contribution. I said nothing at all about making everyone's income equal. Not within a country and certainly not between regions with wildly different costs of living. I'm talking about actual wealth, actual labor, and the way a society decides who deserves to have access to material wealth.
Let me spell it out for you: when a new technology makes a category of work obsolete, it sounds be a good thing because less work needs to be done to produce the same wealth. It's like how having a washing machine is great because it saves you from doing many hours of tedious labor with essentially no downside. The reason that doesn't work at a societal level is because our economic system is designed to funnel 100% of the benefits of labor-saving technology to a parasitic ownership class, leaving the average person poorer as a result. Our economic system is based entirely around scarcity, and introducing just a little bit of abundance breaks it and fucks over people whose labor is no longer needed by denying them access to wealth.
Do you really think it's reasonable that having less work needing to be done to produce the same wealth should ever make the average person less well off?
Some kinda UBI is good, but people still need a purpose. We should still strive to build something and better ourselves.
You don't need work for that. You need work to do necessary things for society, which would be far less than the amount of work being done right now.
Why would you cite this fact in defense of the current system?
If everything were equal, we all would be in extreme poverty.
If everything were equal, gdp wouldn't be how we measure prosperity.
That’s not gdp. Thats global average yearly individual income.
That's almost worse. A huge amount of work happens that isn't a paid job.
The idea behind universal basic income is that hpu get enough money to cover your basic needs - then you can do a job you like to earn more so that you have more than basic needs fulfilled. So you could still earn money if that's what you so enjoy.
Yea I’m with that idea. But no one working and just getting paid to exist is a strange concept for me.
Obviously people will need to be working still, a time when all work is done for us is long way off. Besides, there were studies made on this and most people would still work in some capacity (not all, obviously) - but with you getting money to cover your needs you could quit thenjob you just have for the money and do something you enjoy. Or keep the job you do just for money if lots of money is important to you - but you would be free to take sabatical if you'd start burning out without fear - because you would still have the UBI even if you spent all your money and didn't save any.
Especially now with raise of AI this is something that will be needed sooner rather than later - question is when, not if. And another question is how will humanity fuck it up - because that's what wedo best and the theory behind it sounds too good to be true.
You're an inspiration to all out there who think intelligence is a barrier to making 9k a week.
let's see you speak once AI takes a jab at your field
No AI is ever going to replace what I do. I salvage aircraft and motorcycles. Zero worry there.
The AI can be added to a robot that can salvage aircraft and motorcycles. It would be far cheaper to employ than a human as well.
lol no. Far far off before a robot could do what we do. The dexterity required to remove a bolt from inside a wing, or even a rusty bolt on a motorcycle, or disassemble an engine is far outside anything a robot can even come close to achieve. And everything is unique. Just not feasible in any way what so ever. Assembly is another story and yes a lot of automation can be achieved there, but that’s because it’s doing the same action over and over and very precise. Disassembly is way different, unique in every case. Extreme dexterity required. Often the stuff is crashed and bent up and requires very advanced knowledge of the exact unit being taken apart. Bolts strip out and break over time, things rust. A universal robot that do what’s needed would be insanely expensive. Not feasible at all.
AI is not just a "universal robot", it's something that can have the entire database of every existing vehicle and aircraft uploaded into it to learn from, then given a robotic body (robotics are still advancing may I remind you, not as loudly as AI but certainly forward every day), it could do your job faster, better, more reliably, and cheaper in the long run, maybe you'll even get the honour of fixing the mistakes it makes the first few weeks at your job to make it better, then you'll become obsolete.
Don't laugh at folks who are having their jobs usurped by soulless code right now, sooner or later - it'll happen to you.
Not in my life time. The robotics just aren’t there, nor the understanding. Feel free to check back in 10 years, I’ll be doing the same thing.
Do you really cornpop? And what do that consistently makes you over half a million dollars a year in income?
I run a fairly large salvage company. I dismantle aircraft and Powersport vehicles (motorcycles, atvs, sxs, anything with a motor really) I do 500-700k a year in revenue.