So, no communist country is going to exist until all capitalist countries go away or are somehow prevented from interference? When do you see that happening?

A system that can't manage to sustain and defend it's own existence is simply not realistic, no matter how idealistic.

You first claimed that Communism never actually existed, now you are saying that they were crushed by capitalism. Which is it? Communism died in those countries as the countries were formed.

You are giving capitalist countries way too much credit, but that's a whole other web of individual discussions. Communism defeated itself, and what remained couldn't compete with (what passes for) free markets in Western democracies.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You first claimed that Communism never actually existed

I literally didn't.

I support the actually existing Communist governments around the world: China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.

Communism survives and China is eclipsing the US. And no, they're not capitalist. The Party is in control, politics is in command, they are advancing so incredibly quickly because they don't allow the market to run society or capital owners to be dictators.

And now Venezuela is being welcomed into the BRICS and we're seeing a pink tide all across Latin America. I'm quite optimistic we'll win this time.

By any means necessary.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I literally didn’t.

You are literally correct. I got my threads mixed and I apologize. Still, claiming that...

every implementation of a communist state (or even a vaguely leftish state) is ruthlessly hunted down and destroyed by capitalist powers

... comes pretty darn close. Did America hunt down and destroy Communism in China, or is it still Communist?

Communism survives and China is eclipsing the US. And no, they’re not capitalist.

Well, no they aren't. Since this discussion started with me saying that neither communism or capitalism can exist outside of ideological exorcises, you shouldn't feel the need to tell me that.

The Party is in control, politics is in command, they are advancing so incredibly quickly because they don’t allow the market to run society or capital owners to be dictators.

Xi Jinping's estimated net worth is $1.2b. Is that not capital? For comparison, Joe Biden's net worth is $10m, though some estimates go up to $40m. Which country is run by capital owners again? If you think that Xi Jinping only makes capital allocation decisions in the interests of the average Chinese citizen, then I have a great wall to sell you.

By any means necessary.

And here I was actually taking you seriously.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

… comes pretty darn close. Did America hunt down and destroy Communism in China, or is it still Communist?

It's still controlled by a Communist Party and it's still building communism. The revolution isn't over yet. Actually existing socialism.

Xi Jinping’s estimated net worth is $1.2b. Is that not capital?

Literally no, capital is productive. Businesses, factories, warehouses, restaurants, farms, etc. Money is not capital in a Marxist sense, it's merely a means of exchange. I'm also skeptical he is actually a billionaire, that sounds like it's just some rough estimate made up by probusiness propaganda.

"But Biden isn't a businessman!" I hear you say, and no, he isn't. He also isn't in charge. His and his party's political donors are, and they own capital and they own Biden. He's just another one of their investments.