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Totally dude, totally. If I were a child growing up in Gaza, and I lived in poverty, with poor access to food and medicine because of Israeli blockades, while thousands of my countrymen where killed or displaced by Israeli air raids or gunned down by the IDF for protesting...well, obviously I would want to overthrow Hamas. I would definitely hate the group fighting the country makes my life hell, and I would definitely try get Hamas out of power.
Like you said, people are responsible for their government, and the people of Gaza (who are, again, HALF CHILDREN) are responsible for removing these extremists from power, even though they don't hold elections. Another great take dude.
You mean the blockades where Israel supplies Gaza with water and electricity? And you think after what happened Israel should just accept Hamas at their border and wait it out for the next attack?
Sucks for the kids but it's also pretty bad for the Israeli children that are still in captivity btw. Should Israel just give up on them?
Holy shit the Israeli propaganda is strong.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza
Israel is genociding Palestinians. This is not some controversial take. It's the stance of the UN and the majority of the international community, supported by mountains of evidence.
Yet still pigs like you dare write garbage comments like that
I mean that's exactly what I am talking about. How was Israel in a position to cut anything? Because it was them supplying in the first place. To you expect them to keep on feeding and supplying after the attacks? You kill my festival goers and cry foul if I stop giving water and electricity in return? Maybe don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Honestly, it blows my fucking mind how utterly delusional people like you are.
A hypothetical, if you will: you own a house and assume (for some legitimate reason) that you own the land around it as well. Well, the state informs you that you don't actually own the whole land and I'm gonna build a house next to you.
No issue there, plenty to go around. But then for the next few generations, I keep annexing your land bit by bit. I even annex most of your house, and now you're living in the cupboard under the stairs, because I made you.
Would you feel anger? Well, that's irrelevant. At that point, you're dependent on me, because of my actions.
Does that justify then locking you in the cupboard without food, electricity or water? Does that make it okay for me to deprive you of basic human rights?
Especially because you didn't even do anything. It was your violent cousin that you have no contact with and who you think should be in jail. But he shares your surname, so I use that to justify my crimes against you.
UN notes I'm wrong. A majority of the international community agrees I'm breaking your basic human rights.
I still refuse to admit I'm doing anything wrong.
End of hypothetical. Do you see anything wrong with it?
No. And now you'll regurgitate some more zionist prppaganda while completely ignoring the UN's position that Israel is committing warcrimes. You simply can not admit any flaw with Israel, because of your programming.
Please. Please, prove me wrong.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146587
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146242
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/09/un-court-has-ruled-on-gaza-genocide-case-heres-what-happens-now.html
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israels-symbolic-ban-must-not-distract-atrocity-crimes-gaza-un-expert
Did I say I approve the land stealing and settlement policies? What I said is that going on a killing spree and running amok on a music festival is not an acceptable reaction, even if you're being treated unfair and your land is being stolen. And if your government thinks it is then this kinda does become your responsibility.
What you're saying is that "genocide is the correct and moral choice in this situation".
Isn't it?
Are you denying the Israeli are genociding Palestinians?
No matter how horrid the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel were, they do not justify genociding Palestinians.
And fucking shame on you for implying it does.
"It's the Palestinians own fault they're being genocided"
Where did you grow up, might I ask?
That is not at all what I said. And I do indeed not believe Israel is genociding palestinians. The settlement policies are shitty but they do not equal genocide. Refusing supplies if Hamas takes control of them, that's also not too much to ask. And if Hamas declines, who is it now that is denying supplies to palestinians? It's a shitty situation but no, genocide is something else entirely.
I grew up in Germany and you're right, that might have influenced my views about how people are responsible for their government and how extremism has consequences.
"I know better than the UN and the majority of the international community, they're all just propagating Hamas' lie but everything Israel says is 100% true and they've not done anything wrong"
See the part a few comments ago where I said my mind is honestly blown by how delusional people like you can be.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
You're simply refusing reality, because you've been brainwashed.
You grew up in Germany. I believe the schools in Germany teach the history of the holocaust pretty well. If you were awake for even a minute during even a single lesson, you must have heard about how the Jewish people were treated during WWII, and with what rhetoric the Nazis justified that with.
But you're still unable to perceive that when Israel is doing it? Even when UN and the majority of the international community agree vehemently that Israel is committing crimes against humanity?
___
Of course I do see the facist tendencies also in Israel and their government. And of course, I never said what happened to palestine now and before is all fun and games. It's just that I think Hamas and leaving them unchecked is so much worse. That's it really, choosing the lesser of two evils.
"Lesser of two evils"
Being a victim of systemic genocide because you have cousins who fought against being genocides is "more evil" than actually systematically genociding people?
See it's things like these which make my stomach turn over when I read your comments.
So do you deny Israel is genociding Palestinians?
In one of you comments, you said that under no circumstances should anyone be killing kids.
Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Could you imagine defending Hitler in 1940 by saying "I'm choosing the lesser evil"? Probably not. So open your eyes and smell the genocide.
In my book it's more like Hamas=Hitler and bombing Gaza=bombing Dresden if we want to keep the analogies.
And also your twisting my words, I was talking about targeting kids. The question is are the kids dying because they are actively being targeted or because Hamas dug a tunnel under their house. That's a difference. And actively targeting kids is 100% not IDF military doctrine, the same is evidently not true for Hamas.
Have you spent a year in birthright or why is a German so utterly, utterly delusional and brainwashed? Oh no wait, you never said you were German. You only said you grew up there. Going by your rhetoric, you've definitely listened to Israeli state propaganda, and a lot of it.
I did very early on say I'm amazed at the level of your delusions.
Israel is targeting kids. They know this. Everyone know this. There's A METRIC FUCKTON OF OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE OF IT WHICH YOU KEEP IGNORING.
Carpet bombing an area in which more than 50% of the population are kids is targeting kids.
You're simply so brainwashed you will never accept this. You're like the Germans who allowed Jewish people to be genocided in plain view, yelling Heil Hitler, but after the war pretended they knew nothing about it.
You think Israeli state propaganda is more accurate than the rest of the world? The reports of the UN and all news sources, all fake, owned by Hamas? Because Israel is the only one denying what everyone can see. A despicable, horrible, purposeful genocide in which a vast majority of victims are women and children.
You are contributing to murdering women and children with that rhetoric, you sick f*ck.
#West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
#2022 becomes the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank in over 15 years
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2022-becomes-deadliest-year-palestinian-children-west-bank-over-15-years
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city
https://press.un.org/en/2023/gashc4386.doc.htm
#Third Committee Condemns Brutal Bombing of Gaza Hospital, Enforced Displacement of Palestinian Civilians, Emphasizes Urgent Need for Unimpeded Humanitarian Aid
AND the systemic targeting has been going on for years.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-179791/
How fucking childish does a person need to be to believe Israeli state porpaganda? You probably also think Putler didn't have Navalny killed? That a healthy man in his forties just happened to drop dead?
Do you understand the size difference between Gaza and Afghanistan? Keep that in mind.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-drops-6-000-bombs-in-gaza-in-6-days-nearly-matching-us-total-in-afghanistan-in-1-year-report/3017833
As the IDF dropped more bombs on Gaza in 6 days than the US did on Afghanistan in a year.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
#Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/21/1225883522/palestinian-death-toll-soars-past-25-000-in-gaza-with-no-end-to-war-in-sight
#Palestinian death toll passes 25,000 as Israel announces the death of another hostage
**More than half of those are children. **
"iSrAeL iSnT tArGeTiNg kIdS!!!" — brainwashed morons
If you don't accept that Israel is committing crimes against humanity, that they're committing genocide, then you are literally delusional.
Wtf you're making this about my family background now? Which by the way is german for as far as I can trace it back, and that's quite a few generations. But how is this relevant?
And you're mixing stuff up, like Afghanistan also has quite a different population density and consists of desert for a large part, that might have something to do with it don't you think? And the nature of the conflict is also quite different.
And you know what? I'm not even denying that atrocities like Annan building happen also on IDF side. But these are nutjubs that act without IDF chain of command approval and without following standard IDF processes. And there is a legal system in place where they are being dealt with and punished. Is it still unfair? Of course it is. But in palestine terrorist attackers are hailed as martyrs and their families get payouts by Hamas. That still makes the Israeli side much better in my view.
And also it's not Israel vs. the rest of the world as you make it out to be. Israel is far from isolated on this and for a good reason.
"about my family background"
Why would this be related to your family? Unless I'm right in that you've been to birthright in Israel, but your family is irrelevant, even if connected. So that's a yes. Wasn't really hard to imagine, truly. Because I was being serious, anyone supporting Israel like you are, denying their atrocities and the fact that they are genociding women and children is literally under the influence of the zionist propaganda. It's not your fault, they're really good at it. You're a victim of propaganda.
Still, it doesn't change the fact, does it now?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
Israel is committing genocide. Killing women and children.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
But you're making sick excuses and justifications for the genocide, and saying "the Israeli side is better" as if the Palestinian women and children were doing anything to Israel. You don't even have the ability to discern between Hamas, a terrorist organisation, and the people of Palestine. Because you've been brainwashed into thinking they're all the same and thus it's justified to exterminate them all.
It's sickening to me that despite the horrors inflicted on the Jewish people in WWII, they're still doing this now. It's sickening.
I don't know, you're down to personal insults now and framing me as a bad human? So I'm falling for pro Israel propaganda? Have you considered that maybe it is you who is falling for Hamas propaganda?
"Mommy, please, that man on the internet called me a bad name for actively supporting the genocide of women and children. He's the baddie, but we aren't, right?"
Oh no, words, they're so terribly hurtful.
I use United Nations and the consensus of the international community to make my decisions. You use shitty lies perpetuated by zionists. You haven't posted a single source for any of your claims, and purposefully ignored the ones I've sent, because you're literally made to think they're not real by conditioning you into not accepting that Israel ever does anything bad.
Your refusal to believe Israel is GENOCIDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN is what shows how brainwashed you are.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
#West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
##2022 becomes the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank in over 15 years
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2022-becomes-deadliest-year-palestinian-children-west-bank-over-15-years
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city
##Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Could you imagine defending Hitler in 1940 by saying “I’m choosing the lesser evil”? Probably not. So open your eyes and smell the genocide.
You couldn't hurt me if you tried, it's just that this is not a basis for discussion.
And maybe look at the sources yourself, does it say Israel and IDF are the sole cause and the only side to blame for this? That part is just your interpretation.
And actually I'm curious, what do you think how Israel should react to the attacks? Roll over and take it to the chin? Just surrender and let the killings and rocket attacks happen? Because apparently Hamas outsmarted them and human shield tactics are supposed to work? Better directly surrender then, since confronting Hamas is equal to genocide? Is that it?
Still vehemently denying that Israel is committing genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
You're just unable to accept it. Literally. You will not be able to address a single article of the UN and OCHR I've linked and accept them as reality. Do you not understand how childish it is to pretend that second hand Israeli propaganda is more credible than the rest of the world combined?
Prove me wrong and address these WOMEN AND CHILDREN BEING PURPOSEFULLY KILLED BY ISRAEL.
It makes my stomach hurt knowing that people like you exist, that people will defend a genocide, of slaughtering children, while pretending they care about children dying.
It's insane.
"How do you think Israel should react"
How about by not committing genocide? That's a good start, in my opinion. How about not using collective punishment, which is a LITERAL WAR CRIME?
So you think Israel shouldn't be held to the standards of international laws, and should be allowed to act like an international terrorist organisation, and should be allowed to continue a literal GENOCIDE?
Imagine if you had lived 90 years earlier and you'd have to listen to non-Jewish Germans going on about "well Germany shouldn't just sit and take these [a horrible ethnic insult] taking over our jobs and industries. They're all to blame for! Let's get them in the gas chambers! It's ONLY REASONABLE!"
You sicken me. Prove me wrong and address even one of these articles.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
#West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
##2022 becomes the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank in over 15 years
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2022-becomes-deadliest-year-palestinian-children-west-bank-over-15-years
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city
##Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm
##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight
Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”
Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”
https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2024/01/gaza-massive-human-rights-crisis-and-humanitarian-disaster
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/over-one-hundred-days-war-israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-and
#Over one hundred days into the war, Israel destroying Gaza’s food system and weaponizing food, say UN human rights experts
"WEAPONISING FOOD"
And you're still defending them. Disgustingly inhumane.
I mean for real, you're accusing me of falling for Israel propaganda but don't you see how you are using propaganda rhetoric yourself? Like always twisting my words and not only mine, you're misrepresenting your sources.
Like Mrs Bahous "women and children pay the highest price" of course that's spot on and nothing about it is controversial. But given that, how do you jump to the conclusion that Israel is genociding the people of palestine? Or that Israel is actively targeting women and children? These are entirely different things.
And always throwing this accusation of genocide around as if it is the killer argument to end all discussion. And it's not true I'm sorry. Did Israel not publicly announce their military campaign weeks in advance and tell people to evacuate from the northern regions and the conflict zones? Don't they have this roof knocking thing going on? Are these not facts? Are these not measures to minimize the civilian deaths? Is this what genocide looks like to you? How on earth does this make sense if Israel is on a mission to kill all civilians and eradicate the people of palestine? Don't you see the contradiction? It's so stupid, when at the same time you could have argued that maybe Israels reaction is out of proportion or maybe their cost-benefit analysis is off. That would have given your arguments so much more credibility and could have been a meaningful basis for discussion. But no, it always has to be all or nothing, Israel is the evil zionist empire conspiring to control the world and genociding peaceful civilians out of pure and baseless hate.
And you're evading my arguments and also my questions if they become to hard? If civilian deaths=automatic genocide and if Hamas is hiding among civilians, then what should Israels reaction have been? And please don't give me any bullshit answers. I'm not asking what they should have done in the past and I'm not asking what they should not have done. I'm asking what do you think would be the appropriate reaction to this recent episode of the conflict.
"No no no it's not true, you're the one who's brainwashed, it's the UN who's brainwashed, it's the entire rest of the world who are brainwashed, not me despite me being unable to link a single source."
You're vehemently denying genocide.
Sick fuck.
If you weren't a delusional brainwashed idiot, you'd know that this, like several other excuses you've used, doesn't matter in the slightest when it comes to war crimes. Announcing you're gonna do a war crime doesn't absolve you of it, dumbo.
Just like I said, you can't address a single source, but cry that they're all Hamas propaganda. Weird how they've manage to convince the entire rest of the world, huh? Weird how all the evidence points to Israel committing genocide.
"Why aren't you engaging with my pathetic attempts at excusing Israel's crimes against humanity despite me now having any source to back up my claims, only pitiful propaganda"
Cry and stomp your foot all you want kid, your mind is not your own. You will not be able to accept reality, despite knowing what it is.
Israel bombs hospitals and schools. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-of-hospitals-and-schools-as-crimes-against-humanity-call-for-prevention-of-genocide/
There's more than 10 000 dead kids.
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
But I guess a random kid like you online knows better than the United Nations and we should trust you when you roll on the floor crying "no no no no no it's not real everyone else is wrong Israel isn't the baddy we're not doing a genocide"?
Where did I talk about absolution? You're doing it again, you're being dishonest and you refuse to even acknowledge what I'm saying. How is it not you rolling on the floor crying foul? And you want sources for the obvious? Like what, you want sources on the roof knocking or the public announcement? Is that your best counter argument?
And no, it is not the rest of the world and it is not the United Nations that stand united against Israel. You want me to post a source on how the US, UK, Germany and 56 other countries voted last time? If you want to convince anyone please stick to the facts!
I've talked with thousands of brainwashed people like you.
The way to convince "someone" is to show how strong your brainwashing is. Not to you, perhaps, but the internet at large. You're doing it right now.
I've told you several times; you're so delusional (refusing to see reality despite understanding it's there), that you literally, physically, CAN NOT address even a single one of the UNITED NATIONS sources that show the IDF killing women and children on purpose, and you fucking dare to imply it's their fault because some Palestinians fought back against the genocide.
You literally can not address the facts on this issue. If all this UN and international shit is wrong, PROVE IT.
You can't link a single source for your outrageous delusions, because there is none. There only place where your kind of rhetoric appears is like "thetimesofisrael" whereas THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD agrees that Israel is committing war crimes and genociding Palestinians.
Or are you now pretending you've literally not seen any of the dozens and dozens of links I've posted on the matter? How about this. Address the sources, instead of crying "noooooo, Israel isn't genociding anyone and I know better than the majority of the international community and the UN".
I've seen Flat Earthers who think more with their own brain than you.
Please, do tell me how I've made up these sources and am "misrepresenting them"? Where are your sources? Why is it that you can't even challenge a single assertion with sources of your own? Is it perhaps because you know Israel is genociding Palestinians, but you literally, physically, can not accept that that is what is happening.
I'm not using "delusional" as an insult. It's an apt medical term that describes what you're doing right now.
delusional
Israel bombs hospitals and schools. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-of-hospitals-and-schools-as-crimes-against-humanity-call-for-prevention-of-genocide/
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
#The Gaza Strip is a graveyard for thousands of children, the United Nations has said.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/01/israel-must-comply-with-key-icj-ruling-ordering-it-do-all-in-its-power-to-prevent-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
Do you know what the "ICJ" stands for? International Court of Justice
So at this point you saying "no there's no genocide" is literally as delusional as saying "Bill Cosby never sexually assaulted anyone"
But hey, all you need to do to prove you're not a brainwashed shill is actually address the legitimate sources I link. You haven't. For dozens of comments. This exchange between us isn't for you. It's an example to anyone else, about people like you.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine
"HRW" stands for "Human Rights Watch", but you don't seem to believe in human rights so guess you'll ignore those as well.
There is nothing in this world that would break your programming. It's sickening. I'm verry sorry that you've been put through that, since you even actually regaining independent thought seems rather impossible. Thus, using the word "delusional" to describe you is not a personal insult in any way, it's the most apt descriptor. You literally can not address a single one of these articles, DESPITE VEHEMENTLY DENYING THEM.
So let's have a look at your sources. The first one from UN. Does it say Israel is the sole responsible party? Does it state that it is Israel or rather Hamas who puts palestine at the risk of genocide? It does not. The second one from aljazeera talks about legal concerns. So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That's what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources. Your stuff doesn't hold up to basic fact checks. Shall I go on? And all of that is not even necessary when even there are plenty of legit ways to criticize Israel.
On top if that you fail to present any ideas on what Israel should be doing instead, how they should improve their ways or what alternatives options there might be. In a way I don't blame you, I also have no better ideas and that's probably because there are no better options.
"Sole responsible party"
For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.
Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn't fly?
Still, you've not a single source.
"Mummy, what is a strawman...?"
What you mean is that** "I'm too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I'm gonna pretend like there's nothing bad happening, as I've been doing all the time." **
How many kids are dead in Israel? That's weird. When I write "how many dead kids in israel" to Google, there's no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as "legal concerns". You don't see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don't know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It's disgusting.
Let's look at the first three results on google for "how many dead israeli kids"
1st result: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
#Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.
2nd result: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war
The relief workers in Gaza have said there's a new acronym in play: "WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family."
And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn't happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That's what's happening to you, right now. You're denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.
There aren't "legal concerns", THERE'S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don't know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it's just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it's not a one-line meme.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide
(The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Is that hard for you to read? Let's make it bigger, shall we.
##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Do you understand why there's "punish incitement to commit genocide"? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting "human animals". That is called DEHUMANISATION and it's an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don't understand this is pathetic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza#
Netanyahu himself has said he won't listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won't follow international laws they've agreed to follow as members of the UN.
And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.
You still haven't been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head "no no no no no no mummmy it's not true we're not the baddies". Disgusting.
Also, the majority of the sources you've ignored are the UN and the OCHR themselves, not that you would know what the OCHR stands for.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against
https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2023/12/genocide-can-and-must-be-prevented-turk-declares
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians
And most of these are from last year, when the situation was dire, but not that dire.
You're a brainwashed propaganda-bot, nothing more. Deal with it or wake the fuck up.
"Sole responsible party"
For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.
Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn't fly?
Still, you've not a single source.
What you mean is that "I'm too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I'm gonna pretend like there's nothing bad happening, as I've been doing all the time."
How many kids are dead in Israel? That's weird. When I write "how many dead kids in israel" to Google, there's no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as "legal concerns". You don't see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don't know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It's disgusting.
Let's look at the first three results on google for "how many dead israeli kids"
1st result: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/
#Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.
2nd result: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war
The relief workers in Gaza have said there's a new acronym in play: "WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family."
And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn't happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That's what's happening to you, right now. You're denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.
There aren't "legal concerns", THERE'S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don't know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it's just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it's not a one-line meme.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide
(The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Is that hard for you to read? Let's make it bigger, shall we.
##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.
Do you understand why there's "punish incitement to commit genocide"? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting "human animals". That is called DEHUMANISATION and it's an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don't understand this is pathetic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza#
Netanyahu himself has said he won't listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won't follow international laws they've agreed to follow as members of the UN.
And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.
You still haven't been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head "no no no no no no mummmy it's not true we're not the baddies". Disgusting.
A) No, I mean the blockades that have been going on since 2007. They limit necessary supplies to Gaza and are the reason it has been called an, "open-air prison." B) Israel is the occupying force in Gaza and therefore has a legal obligation to supply Gaza with water and power under the Oslo Accords. C) Israel has been failing in that obligation, because for years 97% of the drinking water has been below the minimum safety standards for human consumption.
Anyway, again, really great points, really showing your knowledge of the conflict here.
I mean there are also legal frameworks in place that prohibit kidnapping your neighbours kids and shooting up their music festivals. Somehow Hamas gets to break this but Israel is still bound to Oslo accords?
Great question! There are two possible answers: 1. Israel is a democratic nation that respects human rights, in which case it needs to behave in accordance with international law or 2. Israel is, like Hamas, a nation of extremists using violence against civilians to achieve its political goals, in which case it needs to be treated like any rogue nation. So, since you invited the comparison, you tell me; does Israel need to hold itself to a higher ethical code than Hamas, or are they the same as them?
Well I think you also forfeit some of our your legal rights after you commit crimes? And certainly that doesn't make Israel a rogue nation or just as bad as Hamas. There's nuance and middle ground, it's not black and white. The USA one-sidedly canceled the Iran nuclear treaty and the Paris climate agreement and they never accepted the ICC, that's shitty but would you argue it makes them a rogue nation just as bad as Hamas? I don't think so.
You asked why Islrael should be expected to follow the Oslo Accords if Hamas didn't. I answered. If.you don't like the answer, tough. But please, if you take one thing away from this interaction, make it this; the Palestinians can't, "forfeit some of their legal rights," because of the actions of their government. What you're describing is called, "Collective Punishment," and it is literally a war crime. Congratulations, you reasoned your way into advocating for war crimes. Great job.
bravo
The right to not be killed on a music festival outweighs the right to free water and electricity. It doesn't make Israel and Hamas equally bad or rogue. And wether you name it collateral damage or collective punishment I guess that's what war is like, sucks but always was like this and really there is no good way around it. Because what is the alternative? Israel directly supplying Hamas who they are at war with?
It abso-fucking-lutely does not. A terrorist attack does not justify denying 2.5 million people access to water. You know, cause they die without it. And this isn't new, Israel has been using water as a weapon since the sixties. Look up Israeli Military Order 158.
Anyway, I think in done here. You've don't know basic facts about the conflict, you've defended war crimes, and you've actually suggested other war crimes. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're an awful person. This is a waste of my time.
The situation is just way more nuanced and not so simple as you make it out to be. Like did you note how Israel is actually not outright denying all supplies, they just want to not have it controlled by Hamas. That is a very reasonable thing and an absolute good faith try to keep the supplies going. If Hamas basically declines then how is it Israel denying water or starving millions of people? I don't think Oslo accords demand for all supplies to go through your enemy military.
It is though.
Your just willfully ignoring the facts of the situation, because you've been programmed into never thinking Israel is to blame.
Not even when you literally advocate for collective punishment as something that right and okay to do?
That's sickening.
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15473.doc.htm
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against
#“This occurs amidst Israel’s tightening of its 16-year unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has prevented people from escaping and left them without food, water, medicine and fuel for weeks now, despite international appeals to provide access for critical humanitarian aid. As we previously said, intentional starvation amounts to a war crime,” the experts said
> killed on a music festival
if you're worried about that, then take the guns from the iof. they're the ones who apache'd a fucking music festival.