No context? Your source that you posted even had Spain as killing millions of native Americans. For the USA itself - the trail of tears was 4,000-10,000. Most deaths were through disease.

So how again is the USA the most genocidal country on this planet? More than the holocaust? More than the Armenian genocide? The Killing Fields (Khmer rouge), Rwanda where 800,000 were killed in 100 days?

You are talking out of your ass, queermunist.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Trail of Tears was one event among many others. The American Indian wars and Manifest Destiny saw the Native population decline from 600,000 to 250,000.

But the US doesn't get to pretend it doesn't inherit the genocide it was founded on! Killings that happened before 1776 were carried out by prominent colonial generals like George Washington before the Founding, and their forefathers like John Washington who the Iroquois named "devourer of villages".

Let's not forget the intentional hunting of buffalo to extinction in the wild by the US army, intended to starve the plains Natives to death or force them to flee. The US also had boarding schools like Canada, where they'd kidnap native children and brainwash them to be good little Christians that can't even speak their native languages.

The fact that you think the genocide was limited to a single event like the Trail of Tears is disturbing.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The international court doesn’t recognize displacement as genocide.

For fun though, we can use your numbers that have no sources. We will use the displacement numbers as well as all the European numbers that you believe the USA should inherit.

It doesn’t even make the top 10 as far as genocide goes.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If you actually bothered to read the Wikipedia link it would lead you to this article, "Russell Thornton estimated that by 1800, some 600,000 Native Americans lived in the regions that would become the modern United States and declined to an estimated 250,000 by 1890 before rebounding"

350,000 dead from that short period, but that came after the mass colonial genocide in the Americas, where the population of "Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 7-15 million between the late 15th and late 17th centuries." Assume 90% of that is from disease, that's 13 million killed.

I'll continue quoting from Wikipedia.

Guenter Lewy in 1978 estimated 1,353,000 total deaths in North and South Vietnam during the period 1965–1974 in which the U.S. was most engaged in the war.

About 3 million people died in the Korean War, most of them civilians, making it perhaps the deadliest conflict of the Cold War era

A September 14, 2007, estimate by Opinion Research Business (ORB), an independent British polling agency, suggested that the total Iraqi violent death toll due to the Iraq War since the U.S.-led invasion was in excess of 1.2 million (1,220,580).

Geoffrey B. Robinson, professor of history at UCLA, posits that, based on documentary evidence, powerful foreign states, in particular the United States, the United Kingdom and their allies, were instrumental in facilitating and encouraging the Indonesian Army's campaign of mass killing, and without such support, the killings would not have happened [...] Robert Cribb suggests the most accurate figure is 500,000, though he notes it is incredibly difficult to determine the precise number of people killed. However, Jan Walendouw, one of Suharto's confidants, cited a number of 1.2 million victims. Vincent Bevins estimates the numbers killed at up to a million or perhaps more.

Declassified CIA documents report that the U.S. Government organized, funded, and equipped the 1954 coup d'état, deposing the elected Guatemalan presidential government of Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán [...] By the end of the war, it is estimated that 140,000–200,000 people had been killed or had disappeared.

Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. Some estimates are that at least 60,000 deaths can be attributed to Condor, with up to 30,000 of these in Argentina.

And now this newest genocide in Gaza.

And on and on it goes. Death to America.

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Death to America

That's a wrap, friend. I called you out on this right at the beginning. There's no point in further discussion.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

It's the internet, there was never a point. 🙄

[+] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

USA is now killing people in Gaza? So anyone who does business with United States is now USAs fault?

The bombs and bullets are from the US. The aircraft carrier in the Gulf protecting Israel is from the US. The attacks on the Houthis are from the US.

When the US directly and indirectly, militarily and financially and even diplomatically in the UN supports a genocide it is responsible.

You aren't willing to credit the US for the genocide being done by the 51st State. 🤡

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You still have no idea what genocide is. It’s common for people who don’t know what they’re talking to derail. I’ll oblige.

Israel makes their own weapons and imports from Canada, USA, Italy, Germany, and the UK. Shall we count those countries as committing genocide as well then?

The carrier in the gulf is to prevent a country like Iran from intervening (which would also be more lives lost)

Let me know when you can figure out what genocide is.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Article 2 of the Genocide Convention:

  ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

How the fuck is this not genocide? This war is part of a broader goal to eradicate the Palestinian national/ethnic group in whole or in part. They are killing, causing serious harm, inflicting conditions calculated to destroy, and preventing births within the group. It's genocide. It's so obviously genocide and that's why the ICJ found in South Africa's favor. They bombed people trying to get flour! It's a god damn genocide.