Also, whatever you think of this action (I happen to be against it because it's illegal.), acknowledge that mobilizing this many people is the result of invisible forms of organizing, not neccesarily legible to the "left" whose traditions cross-polinate with the professionalized activism of ngos, labor unions and political parties.

It's just a shame that it was expressed this way. We need major social democratic reforms and avenues for disenfranchised people to exercise political power so these kinds of desperate actions don't disrupt our lives.

The provocative title is a way to call attention to the ways that overseas reporting and domestic reporting on social conflict differ. A detournament of imperialist propaganda if you will.

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[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

acknowledge that mobilizing this many people is the result of invisible forms of organizing

This is unfalsifiable even in the best possible light. I think there's a strong possibility this is more spontaneous than organized, and more opportunistic than political.

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think there's a thin line between the opportunistic and and the political in working class politics. The goal of looting is to improve the lives of working class people. The goal of striking is to improve the lives of working class people. They both do it by taking from the profits of buisnesses and by disrupting norms like working-for-a-wage and purchasing-commodities.

When anarchists organize looting as political protest, they're pointing out just how thin that line is.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is there any evidence that anarchists (or other leftists) organized this? I've seen nothing along those lines.

Say there is, and say, for the sake of argument, all the 2020 protests (as well as the violence started by police) were planned by the left. Maybe one major city (Minneapolis?) slightly reduced its police budget in response to the protests and the modest demand to defund the police? It wasn't effective. If we don't evaluate what works and what doesn't we're just libs riffing off ideology.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

You don't need to read theory to understand mutual aid and property as theft. Lots of people know that stuff, they just don't have an articulated theory to give names to it and put it in the frame of wider political action. Folks are smart. Minority communities live and die on mutual aid, even if they don't call it that.

Minneapolis had a highly motivated anti-cop movement for as long as I can remember. Certainly by the time Black Lives Matter started during Ferguson. Burning down the 3rd Precinct wasn't even close to the first community action against the police, it's just the most dramatic. There was organizing against police violence going on the whole time. Large segments of the African American community, the Native American community, the Somali community, and a fair number of white people had been involved in it for years and years.

As for effects - I haven't looked in to it because PTSD, but last I checked the Minneapolis Police Department was hemmoraging cops. Lots of cops quit, lots retired, and the city can't find replacements because apparently the pay isn't good enough to become a hated fascist. Their budget didn't drop, but their operational capability was severely eroded by poor morale and overwork. idk if they've recovered, but Frey is deeply unpopular with the city and his blatant failures to control the cops are well known. It's not like the cops have become any less hated. There's currently a fight going on; The city wants to re-build the 3rd Precinct, the community absolutely does not want that, and politically organized communities are having it out with the city right now.

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I don't care if anarchists organized this or local teens organized it. Either way it's working class self activity. We aren't some special group floating above the working class and directing it, we're workers fighting for our own interests.

This kind of thinking about the left as separate from the class comes from the professionalization of politics and while it's sometimes neccesary to pay staff, we should not do it uncritically.

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