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[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I wonder if it has anything to do with all of the “bad atheism” that’s populating the internet.

By this, I mean to say that actual TRUE atheism isn’t about hating Christians, but if you look here, and on Reddit- any community involving atheism is nothing but anti-Christian rhetoric. Not other religion- just Christianity. AND A LOT of hate.

Actual atheists don’t define their ideology based on who they hate. It’s simply just not believing in religious idolatry. Nothing more and nothing less.

So if you find yourself hating on someone simply because they believe differently than you do. Maybe ask yourself if any of that seems familiar to you at all. And then back away from the nonsense. Because maybe It’s you that’s making it difficult for the ideology of atheism to be taken seriously.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the atheism you are referring to is teenaged angst filled atheism. They are lashing out at their oppression. They can come out of their shell later into a more refined version of atheism.

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)
  1. please stop gatekeeping atheism
  2. hating christianity is perfectly ok
  3. there is no wrong way of being atheist, being any type of atheist is more sensible than following any mainstream religion, more so in 2024 and given the uprising of christofascism
  4. should i continue?
  5. the mainstream hate directed towards atheists is just a manifestation of the relentless brainwashing performed on the population by religious power groups, which are unfortunately pervasive in every society
  6. atheists can say they are atheists as much as they want, if you don't like to hear them cover you ears
[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

English language forums especially US centric forums are populated by people who overwhelming deal with bad behavior by Christians whereas others are small minorities which keep to themselves

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So you’re saying that every angsty teenager that complains about Christianity has had some bad experience?

And that it’s predominantly US based?

Can you show the sources that support this please?

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US is the largest english speaking country.

What the fuck are you asking about sources? Lmao.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They said:

English language forums especially US centric forums are populated by people who overwhelming deal with bad behavior by Christians

You realize that what they’re saying is that Christianity is predominantly English, right?

Read up:

See, this is what I’m talking about. It’s seems most of the edgy teenaged atheists have no idea what they’re talking about and make up shit that they think will eel in them argument points.

Also, in “dealing with bad behavior” one usually doesn’t make blanket hatred their chosen way to deal with it. Unless of course, you’re an edgy teenager trying to look cool.

I stand by my statement:

Real anthems isn’t about hatred.

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You realize that what they’re saying is that Christianity is predominantly English, right?

I don't know why you assume that?

It sounds like they are saying that English-speaking forum participants primarily come from areas with predominately or historically christian belief.

There's a lot of ESL, but that's still probably true.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It has zero to to with languages. They’re moving goalposts.

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Dammit jim.

Lmao. Jim if you don't believe in any god you're in good company, I'm right there with you.

But that means all that's left is human. We can be more charitable to each other than any god ever was .

And it's OK to admit you made a reading error.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

No reading error here. Just trying to keep within the wheelhouse of the discussion. I’m well aware of when people are trying to pull the topic elsewhere to dilute the waters.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for having excellent reading comprehension.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

Hey, look at that! Someone else noticed your goalpost relocation!

It’s not about what language is used- kiddo, it’s about what is spoken using the language. My point it that atheism isn’t about hatred. You’re using language as a means to derail the discussion into something that makes it look like you’re winning it.

You’re not.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't say that Christians only existed in the US. I said that the behavior you are complaining about is a direct symptom of participating in English language forums dominated by US users who are expressing their experience with the dominant religion in their area that does most of the "outreach" to try to convince atheists that their imaginary friend will torture them for eternity if you don't believe in them.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Thanks for proving my point.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You are angry that atheists are very expressive of their disdain for Christianity. Most people you as an english speaker interact with on most online spaces are liable to be chock full of Americans whose primary negative view of religions are formed by interactions with Christians both because Christians are very vocal and very negative. Do you actually need a citation for the English using web being heavily biased towards the 338,000,000 Americans? If you find your way to the appropriate forums you could find angsty teens complaining about Hinduism or Islam.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So you have no sources. That’s what you’re saying?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You want proof that English speakers on social media are mostly from Christian dominant countries?

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Here is a map of dominant religions.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

Note carefully which areas of the world are primarily Christian. Now consider a map from Wikipedia on what language articles written on a country are written in.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Eys48MCj4gGW2hhd6OwmtvXxS1I=/0x0:1399x1000/1320x0/filters:focal(0x0:1399x1000):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/694828/84558g59-1408117223.0.png

Its immediately obvious that there is a pretty big but not 100% overlap. It is pretty clear in context that the majority of the English speaking web (which isn't the entire web by any means) is going to be composed of people living in Christian dominant areas.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Again, this has nothing at all to do with my point. I’m not going to fall for your goalpost moving rhetoric. Stay within the topic of discussion, or walk away.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You literally side tracked the entire discussion to discuss the semantics of my response and demand proof that English speaking forums are dominated by Americans. My broader point was the reason for the shit talking is the people you are conversing with are those who have to deal with Christians. If you re-read it my point is pretty clear but I think we are done in any case.

[–] force@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I see a fuck ton of ex-muslims on athiest forums which shit talk islam depending on the day even moreso than christianity, idk what you're talking about with this "only christianity" stuff lol

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

I think we have different definitions of “fuck ton” because I guarantee you I’m on the same forums and I see one in every few hundred that might even mention Muslims.

But don’t let this get in the way of your exaggeration.