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[–] regul@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's up to them, I think. There's precedent for countries changing their official English names.

See Czech Republic -> Czechia and Turkey -> Turkiye

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, but at the same time those name changes aren't very well respected by westerners.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Turkiye seems to be getting standard very quickly

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why did 🇹🇷 change the spelling anyway? It's pronounced the same lol

[–] THIRD_WORLDIST@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

I don't think it is

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

I mean, one would expect younger americans to eventually pronounce it Tur-kee-yeh.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's kind of weird how the west respects eSwatini (well, "Eswatini") more than it respects Czechia.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Eswatini is more respected than Czechia which is more respected than Türkiye. Chinese people are referred to in Chinese name order, but Japanese people are referred to in Western name order. Pinyin is finally used by Americans but they omit the tone marks. We really are all over the place...

[–] edge@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

which is more respected than Türkiye

Pinyin is finally used by Americans but they omit the tone marks.

I think keyboards really affect our usage of accent marks. It's a lot easier to type without the accent. Especially on a physical (English QWERTY at least) keyboard there's no way to type the accents other than remembering the alt codes. Touch screen keyboards definitely help by making it pretty easy, but I think the largest effect would come from autocorrect changing it by default. I think there's also a bit of a stigma that makes going out of your way to use the proper accent seem "pretentious", which autocorrect would also help with.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You don't need to use alt codes.

ãâäåáà, êëéè, îïíì, õôöòø, ûüúù, æ, þð, ñ, ýÿ, ç

Behold, you can type all these and probably a few more by just combining two keys or in some cases three (a little more annoying than capitalizing) and using the English United States International Keyboard layout on a Microsoft keyboard... And how do you think French people write in French? They have to procure diacritics as well. The input is basically the same as how I do it, except their physical keyboards also have the markings on them so you don't need to memorize it all in your head.

https://www.starr.net/is/type/intlchart.html

Literally all Microsoft has to do is extend this keyboard layout and it would be able to handle more languages.

edit: why is this a video lmao

Also it's already bad enough figuring out a Chinese word with just the pinyin. If you're not even given tones then there could be dozens of meanings.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's not the default layout for most and it causes trouble when wanting to use those symbols on their own, which would be much more often than typing diacritics.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

Okay sorry, let me clarify something. It's okay for the layperson to omit accents. My issue is that it's considered acceptable in government papers, academic articles, books, etc.