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[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe for Gaza, but most other places are doing alot better than Gaza. The biosphere of this planet is quite delicate and a nuclear war might destroy all parts of the biosphere that support human life. A worse outcome than a genocide of one people.

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A worse outcome than a genocide of one people.

You can understand, perhaps, how some people- or likely many, if we're talking those suffering the conditions of Gaza right now- would disagree, and act accordingly, though.

Personally I would also disagree- Gaza, and Palestine at large, survives for now, but should the total eradication of Gazans, akin to what was done across the eastern seaboard of the US, near its endgoal, I fully and utterly hope that war, to whatever extent necessary (world war included) begins to end the genocide, even if it risks the species and biosphere altogether.

I would rather humanity dies on its feet, than on its knees. To me, while I can accept, understand, and support biding one's time (when and if it is beneficial- as it is for now, for China and perhaps for Russia alike), ultimately, in the whole picture, I think there is nothing more abhorrent, more inhumane, than turning the other cheek permanently and unilaterally- as even famous pacifists like Gandhi spoke against (the "emasculation of a whole race," or in this case, the whole of humanity, the global south, and the working classes). And the imperialists in particular are undeniably the enemies of humanity, a very real and well-recognized threat to the biosphere in their own right. If it is not put down, sooner or later capitalism, imperialism in particular, will likely kill us all the same.

[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Any rash actions by Palestinians is understandable. They are people without power acting out of desperation to have some sense of agency in their lives. Killing people that kill your family indiscriminately for entertainment is perfectly reasonable. I suspect the most effective means to destroy the Imperial core is to utilize its internal contradictions to undermine its stability and build institutions that serve the people better than the garbage current institutions. They have prepared for war, but the treats to the imperial core people proletarians are stopping. They need to feed the imperial core Bourgeoisie. That is where I think the Leftists must focus their attention in the imperial core. China is making deals and cutting off the imperialist superprofits. While the imperial core armies are very expensive they are overpriced for what they are paid for. They can't win the wars to enforce the superprofits. As long as China can keep their Bourgeoisie in check, the collective of humanity has the opportunity to build communism.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

As unsatisfying as it would be for the imperial core not to be subject to the same external horrors that they've inflicted on the rest of humanity, the world should not need to stoop to the level of the colonizers. The imperial core will continue to grow weaker as China and successive countries that develop continue to build an alternative model of global coexistence. These Western colonizers will then cannibalize their own and eventually succumb to the movements led by their own exploited populaces. At least, that's the best case scenario for the world.

[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 9 months ago

For America, there will be horrors. So many bastards died to keep black people in chains. Those bastards decendants will fight to the death for white supremacy upheld even if it is against their own self interest. Most likely through random acts of terrorism. However this plays out, even if the United States falls peacefully out of existence, the homegrown terrorists will fight for their right to abuse people differently than them. A cultural revolution against white supremecy is in order to stop the spread of fascism to the next generation.