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[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Ukrainian/USA backed terrorists I guarantee.

RT reports at least 40 killed and a hundred injured. Numbers probably going to go up.

And the thing is, this is even more pointless than your average terrorist attack, this is pure blood-lust and desire to butcher Russian civilians KNOWING it won't change anything because Russia has suffered deadlier attacks including on children in the past 25 years and they didn't deter it in Chechnya or any other regions. So even the usual justification for butchering civilians that it will shock the government or people into change is a known factor, a false one with this specific country.

This is just the start. The US is not happy about the results of Ukraine and intends to severely punish the Russian people for choosing Putin again and for withstanding their sanctions.

I also guarantee that the US and west will try their hardest to spin this as a bunch of disgruntled Russians upset about Putin's authoritarian rule and that their weapons, training, idea just poofed out of thin air. Else it could be IS type extremists who are of course a western puppet and would only be in Russia at CIA insistence. They can't allow wholesome bean Ukraine to be associated with this type of behavior despite it being exactly the SBU's modus operandi. Doesn't matter whether the attackers were native Russians or what, guarantee if they aren't IS that they were trained, radicalized, motivated, probably armed by SBU which is a proxy subsidiary of the CIA.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Liberals already in agreement this is a false flag by Russia to checks notes justify invading ukraine.

Once again, indistinguishable from Alex Jones as far as political analysis but still somehow unbelievably smug.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago

When your understanding of geopolitics is "Putin is a saturday morning cartoon villain and Ukraine are the heroes" you kind of have to make the most logical leaps to justify something like this. They aren't capable of nuance.

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago

It's impossible to get it through their thick heads that Putin doesn't need a false flag to get support. There is no reason for him to do this.

[–] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Already seeing libs call this a false flag attack. So that stage has been set already if proof comes out that Ukraine was responsible

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 9 months ago

They also called the bombing in Iran a false flag attack

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago

The US is not happy about the results of Ukraine and intends to severely punish the Russian people for choosing Putin again and for withstanding their sanctions.

Honestly, I can't help but look forward to when the tables turn, and the world inevitably gets in at least some punishment on the west in turn. It can't and won't be an eye for an eye - because frankly, alongside how wrong that would be, there is simply not enough of the west to do so- there would be nothing left of the west in such a scenario, and even then their debts would not be resolved- but it will be in, if nothing else, distrust and distancing as other options develop, and in all the social backlash that centuries of westerners plaguing the rest of humanity with genocides, slavery, and imperialism will have earned.

I say this all as someone living in the west myself- and frankly, if and when I get the hell out, I certainly would only ever, having experienced living in the west myself, caution and promote a distrust, disinvestment, and defensive if not outright hostile stance towards the west. As I see it, it's the sad truth that I would like nothing more than to be false, and the only good advice one could ever give, knowing how the western imperial cores are like- what racist, supremacist, liberal, etc. poisons lurk within our societies, and what the nature of our institutions are, etc.

500 years of atrocities, culminating in decades of global hegemony and unmatched arrogance have wrought their toll on the west, and anyone claiming otherwise, or that it can be easily washed away, is naive. And this is alongside the nature of capitalism, and imperialism in particular, which dominates the west; the only sensible approach to these societies as I see it is one which forever watches its back, which constantly expects the worst (because either way, the worst will come to pass), which knows that no matter the present circumstances, one is dealing with- particularly in the western institutions and elite, rabid dogs which in will inevitably, in due time, attack and devour everything in their sight without restraint. These are societies whose contradictions drive them to, even when they are at the top of the world, cannibalize and destroy their own peoples in turn; these are societies that have been unable to change their core, imperialist, racist, monstrous character even over the course of centuries (with Russia as the exception proving the rule, and showing just how extensive the efforts must be even in a country which had never stooped to quite the same lows as its west European/Anglo peers, and even then how precarious the results also will be, in cleansing the colonial, or colonizer's, mindset from their society).

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My thoughts as well but I was hesitant to put anything down without evidence. Who else would it be? Who benefits?

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack late on Friday, in a post on Telegram in which the group claimed its gunmen had managed to escape afterwards.

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Looking forward to westerners justifying this at the same time they condemn Hamas violent resistance.

[–] Jennie@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People already are on Twitter. Disgusting behaviour.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 9 months ago

I am patiently waiting for that fat british liberal to defend Russia's right to defend itself and condemn the terrorists behind this attack (he won't even cover it).

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Notably, US embassy made a statement that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and US citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours a couple of weeks ago.

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 9 months ago

Real "I like you, don't go to school tomorrow" energy in that

[–] MaterialConsequences@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah well, “extremists” of what variety? Western media calls RDK “patriots who love their country and hate Putin”.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Then why kill the people they love so much? This is obviously russophobic driven terrorism, the cowards are shooting indiscriminately at innocent people, you need to see them as animals to be able to do it that easily. Definitely organized by NATO/US.

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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I doubt any plan got delayed by 2 weeks if it was meant to happen immediately. There are a lot of angles here.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I think that it's almost certain that US is behind this given that Vicky the witch was just promising nasty surprises. These are the surprises.

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[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why? US has delayed plans by months before. Who knows what operational reasons they might have had.

Also something of this scale the US probably didn't want to directly tip its hand. So it warned people weeks in advance, specified a false timeline knowing most Americans likely to heed it anyways would probably avoid such gatherings for even longer than that.

Also could have been Ukrainian SBU, the certain parts of the US learned of it or were informed, issued that alert and maybe knowing their chances were worse with that alert out they rescheduled and tried to keep it from the Americans next time.

Edit: Now it's being claimed it's IS(IS) who is claiming responsibility. IS is an arm's length plausibly deniable CIA proxy. They knew what they were going to do, but they may not have known when or had control of when as is the case with proxies (they may have even known when but tipping their hand caused a change in plans and had it pushed back). Needless to say even if one doesn't accept IS as a CIA proxy, the US is ultimately responsible for the creation of the group and its power via their campaign against Assad. Thus the US is responsible once again for the deaths of many Russian civilians.

I would not be surprised if they try again with more, the US would love to turn Russia's attention to Syria, to split it's military operations between that and Ukraine to give Ukraine more time.

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[–] folaht@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This is what Victionary Nuland must have meant by "nasty surpises".
Terrorist attacks.
She was talking about terrorist attacks.

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I would prefer not to jump to a conclusion, but the response from the Ukrainians is going to say it all. If they condemn the attack, then alright it was probably someone else...but if they insist it's a false flag and that Russia just massacred their own people then they probably had a hand in it. Stand by for NAFO "memes" on the subject.

[–] Vertraumir@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

but if they insist it's a false flag and that Russia just massacred their own people

Bingo https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/105320

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Extremely non suspicious behavior to immediately come out and say “it wasn’t us!”

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[–] Vertraumir@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 9 months ago

Definitely USA backed terrorists, they "warned" muricans about staying in public places in Moscow in the beginning of the month

[–] Jennie@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 9 months ago

Horrible. My heart goes out to everyone who has been killed or injured and their families.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 9 months ago

Just horrible

[–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If Ukraine had anything to do with this, Russia will exact it's revenge, and it will not be pretty for anyone

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Medvedev already made a statement that if it was Ukraine then Russia will start eliminating their senior leadership.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I feel like if they had the capability of doing so they would've already done so...

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 9 months ago

enemy senior leadership are sometimes needed to be alive, when you have a trusted enemy leader, it'll be easier to have him surrender and most of his population and soldiers will stop the attacks, but when you assassinate the leader it'll create smaller factions and less trust in the newer ones and it will be a nightmare to make a peace agreement because the leader that was put in place after the assassination doesn't control shit.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago

I don't think so because eliminating them wouldn't actually solve anything since the actual decision making centres are in the west. The puppet regime in Ukraine is also deeply incompetent and generally hated by the public. So, it made sense to just let the clown show go on until now.

[–] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

nah you gotta keep someone "legitimate" on the other side to negotiate with

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The news is saying ISIS. No one's buying it.

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Isis is an American/ Israeli asset and no this isn't just theory:

isntrael treats AQ fighters

isis apologizes to isntrael

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[–] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago (7 children)

If it's Ukraine and it probably is, I hope Russia doesn't hold back in the upcoming days, NOT ONE A BIT...

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago

Agreed. It's well past time the west was reminded what MAD really means- that their leaders are putting their lives on the line, and that of all of humanity as well.

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[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 9 months ago

This makes me so mad. Seeing the venue completely engulved in flames is also crazy. Don't want to give a definite answer for who it was, but this seems eloborate enough to be a NATO operation.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is the West prepared for what's to come when Putin finally hardens his heart?

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think this is exactly the plan. Biden needs Europe to be at war to trigger a mass exodus of (mostly) white Europeans fleeing war and poverty to America to make the dream of the Fourth Reich possible. The purging of Chinese students, academics and immigrants cannot possibly be done without them being replaced by another group of immigrants at the same time.

I mean no offense to the people who think that Trump is someone who can turn America into a full-blown white supremacist state, but they’re dead wrong. Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 9 months ago

Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.

This. If Republicans tried to do it the opposition from the population would be too much. It takes a Democrat administration to get the masses to consent to fascism. Democrats are experts at demobilizing popular resistance movements.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 9 months ago

From what we've seen so far, Russia doesn't really respond to provocations. I expect they may do some high level assassinations in Ukraine to make a point, but otherwise I predict that they're just going to keep methodically grinding down Ukrainian army until it collapses. I do think that any chance of negotiations with the current regime are gone now though.

[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 9 months ago (6 children)

At what point, does world war become preferable? In Gaza I would argue that point has been reached long ago; now for Russia, here is yet another provocation. Meanwhile US troops are violating Chinese sovereignty, across rogue Taipei and even Kinmen island.

Eventually, I'm almost certain it will come- frankly, it may likely be preferable even when and as it comes, if not now already, for all the human cost (that I can and do recognize). The neocons and the western establishment writ large are every bit as deranged as the historical Nazis, if not more so- and their bloodthirst has shown itself over the decades (if one isn't simply counting centuries) to be every bit its equal as well. It must end.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

World war is never preferable. The human losses in these conflicts are minuscule compared to an all out world war with the current weaponry, a world war in this era will be the most bloody event hitherto.

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[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago

World War is never the preferable option. Millions of people will die in a very very short time.

[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Maybe for Gaza, but most other places are doing alot better than Gaza. The biosphere of this planet is quite delicate and a nuclear war might destroy all parts of the biosphere that support human life. A worse outcome than a genocide of one people.

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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, I'd rather not die in an artillery bombardment if it's all the same to you.

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