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Dang, if kids just had some kind of guardians that would be responsible for their media consumption while every media device out there had basic functionality to support such supervision.
It is completely unrealistic to control kids media consumption after a certain age without also infringing on their rights to privacy. Basically, you can't do it right as a parent. You are either helicopter parenting or you aren't controlling enough. It's funny how we shift blame entirely to parents on this while ignoring that it's an impossible task. And I am not even a parent.
It's not hard to talk to your kids about porn or the existence of sex. Masturbation is ok and natural.
I think unhealthy sexual behavior comes from denying that masturbation and sex are perfectly normal and healthy activities. It's important as a parent to let your kids know about the potential risks (STDs, pregnancy, porn addiction) and to educate on consent. Give your kids a roadmap and advice, but don't blanket ban or shame and they should be healthy about sex.
It needs to be done at school. Sex is a part of lives (we don't have more humans without it.) By teaching kids about sex (in an age approprate way) they can learn how to have sex responsibilty, how to see the signs that someone has ill intentions (no one touches you there without permission etc...), as well as the importance of consent. Teens are going to have sex so we might as well prepare them for it.
You will all go blind.
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Well, except the traditional parents don’t think that way or just won’t do it, so saying that doesn’t matter in the cultural context. I don’t think there’s a solution to that except moving to a place more aligned with our values.
Was that supposed to be a reaction to my comment? I was talking about expecting parents to supervise all and every media consumption of their children.
Healthy, open discussion contributes to a reduced need for parental controls and monitoring, but paired together parents have more than enough to help their kids develop into fully functioning humans.
You make it sound like without strict monitoring 24/7 kids will turn into porn addicts and lose all sense of all other facets of life.
The problem is that far right Catholic types won't touch the subject on a personal level, and will try to abuse government to save themselves from what shouldn't be but is an uncomfortable conversation.
?? Where do I make it sound like that?
Every phone and computer has parental control options that allow for as much control as you feel necessary. And obviously as you kids gets older you have to trust in your upbringing - but that's also completely on you, to teach your kids to deal with modern media.
I’ve been using the parental controls to lock out FOX and other crap.
Sucks to suck.
No, not every phone and computer has parental control options. What about the PCs at libraries and schools? What about older siblings? Other students? Friends of the kid? It's completely unrealistic to claim parents should just supervise every media usage.
People also aren't robots where you put "upbringing" in and get predictable results. You can teach them all you want, unless you completely ignore all privacy rights of your children, you won't be able to control their media consumption.
Which one don't have one? And even if there are few - it's not hard to get one with for your kids.
Even in my day and age we had restricted access to things on our school pc - learning to get around it was the only useful thing I learned in those classes. But here the same, there are software solutions to control access on local machines.
What about them? They all also have parents or people responsible for them.
Because they should not. They should teach children to use media and gradually trust them more and more to make their own decisions. Like with everything else.
And as I said, you should not -you should teach them and then learn to trust them - that's hard part of being a parent, you don't have control over your childs life.
No real side in this debate because I don't have kids and am basically an anti-natalist but I don't think it's terribly important to control kids media access above a certain age anyway.
It's probably important to prevent them from accidentally seeing irrelevant filth, and may make sense to prevent them from accessing certain stuff before they're ten or eleven. But I had near unfettered access to the wild world of the Internet from a young age and I don't think it made a big negative difference.
I personally think it was important to my development to be able to explore things on my own terms in the relatively safe way of accessing pages on the Internet.
I do think, however, that social media is likely riskier than media consumption for children in certain age groups, but most parents seem to be a-ok with their kids mainlining that and worried instead that they may accidentally see a nipple.
The ones I mentioned directly after... Please, do not quote out of context.
I feel like people miss the context of the original content and put words in my mouth. I was referring to the claim that parents can "simply" supervise, and should supervise, all media consumption of their children. Which I argue is impossible without infringing on the children's rights of privacy.
It's like people misinterpret my point with intent. Or there is a huge language barrier I can not comprehend.
You can not supervise every media consumption of your children. That is all I wanted to say. I didn't even comment upon whether or not and how good it works (or not) to teach your children about responsible media consumption. That's a whole different topic.
So none. All devices have the capability to control access.
But that whole conversation is in context of governmental control vs. parental control. In my opinion governmental control infringes much more on everyones rights in this case. So obviously your statement is interpreted in this context, not in vacuum.
Parents do not have access to parental control on devices of other children, other adults, school, libraries, etc.
Do you think the same way about physical media? Like, do you think we should be letting kids buy porn magazines? Or that it should be legal for someone to wait outside a school and hand kids porn as they walk home?
Pretty sure it's already illegal to distribute porn online to kids.