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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 31 March 2024 (awful.systems)
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Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut'n'paste it into its own post, there’s no quota here and the bar really isn't that high

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Fucking Hetzner:

https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/112161019007879382

i am deeply disappointed and annoyed

also billing cycle is 1 April lolollllllll

also where does one find a webhost that's any better? hetzner are great otherwise (a proper company, not a personal project), I used to strongly recommend them.

also they hate crypto

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

AWS: you will pay. also, shit works. also, you get customer service.
Azure: you're running Windows, you hate yourself, probably both
Google: you have transcended beyond such earthly requirements as "customer service" or "functions that don't get deprecated in three years"
Hetzner: you run a herd of carefully groomed pets and not cattle
OVH: wot is dis "uptime" ov which u speek
Oracle: lol
Some Guy LLC: I would rather sign up with Oracle

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago

OVH is Some Guy LLC At Scale

and Google Cloud is Some Guy LLC At Scale At Scale

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I guess there's still DigitalOcean and Linode, the Azure and AWS of Some Guy LLC, respectively.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've been using DigitalOcean for years as a personal VPS box, and I've had no complaints. Not sure how well they'd scale (in terms of cost) for a site like this.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago

this is one part of the problem, yeah - pretty much all the VPS offerings are extremely painful cost-wise if you need chonky hosts

rootservers (or things off the serverbidding market) are way better bang for buck (i.e. my all-the-things gremlin box is dual-4TB 64GB i7-something, at ~38eur/mo)

I really, really hope they sort this shit out

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Linode now brought to you by Akamai, the CDN that also exists, you know (it's not just CloudFlareont!)

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago

Off the cuff I think (and would have to doublecheck) Akamai is probably bigger by a fair deal, they’re just not nearly as loud

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Azure is great and doesn't require you to use Windows. I will not stand for such slander.

Also I love how literally no one can remember that IBM also has a cloud.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Azure is great

what kind of enterprise hell is your daily life, for you to enjoy such curses as azure? :D

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago

I hosted a single Linux VM on the free student's subscription and didn't hate it.

AWS was a nightmare on the other hand. At least a VM on Azure is called an Azure VM and not Elastic Rubber Evolution 2: Blue Artemis Service.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

fuck sakes this is aggravatingly disappointing to see from them

I'd been a bit sour already because of the power and IP pricing pushes, but I know the former is bc putin. the latter fucking sucks, it's aggressive and feels like trying to get additional revenue for nothing (although I haven't compared RIPE pricing to see if this feeling bears out (and even then, fucking hello? fucking RIPE going on continual price ballooning is some other fucking shit too. but I digress...))

but what the fuck at this. I've had hetzner boxes with other people's shitty php getting content injected and growing coinminers and shit, and none of that has ever had a response like "you need to get rid of that domain/customer". it's had the usual temp-IP-blackhole crap (which I get)

[–] self@awful.systems 7 points 8 months ago

note that this instance is also on hetzner (cause I was also fairly happy with them til now, other than a bit of missing functionality), so suggestions of reasonably-priced alternatives that don’t suck and will let us run NixOS are appreciated

though I might need a bit of convincing if those alternatives take the form of “OVH doesn’t suck now” or “go ahead and put your human flesh near Larry Ellison”

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i really really hope Hetzner can get their shit together here because this is a fucking pain to even think about. I got shit to do ya know.

every BOFH thinks they could do their own AWS with gaffer tape and paperclips. i actually thought "oh i could just" and then had to whack myself on the head with a newspaper and say NO

i have not the time any more for Some Guy LLC and especially not for being Some Guy LLC, there is good reason to go with the inhuman corporate behemoth and it's because i'm tiiiiired

you will always need your bofh skills in good order and a bugout bag of last night's fresh backups to hand, but given that one can camp out on Inhuman Corporate Behemoth for years

there's comp sci experiments and then there's services, but services are work and if i wanted to work i'd get a job

[–] m@blat.at 6 points 8 months ago

@dgerard @froztbyte I always tell people that the reason so many systems nerds (I don't use BOFH any more as that's.. not really an attitude I like identifying with, it hasn't aged well) use Macs. It's because once you get back from work, frankly, the LAST thing you want to do is system administration on your home machine and OS X is just *nix enough.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Update: Hetzner gives a non-apology that does not address the actual systemic issue

https://woem.men/notes/9rdj6cc1ku7g05xy

[–] self@awful.systems 5 points 8 months ago

holy fuck hetzner what in the fuck are you doing. please stop having the lowest tier of the abuse team try to trick the woem.men admin into accepting the shit non-apology legal drafted as a way to try and head off a lawsuit. nobody cares that your PR department got inconvenienced by the strong public response to this (in fact, it’s a good thing)

go and very publicly commit to making policy changes that’ll protect LGBTQ+ folks or fuck off. shit in a way that’ll be legally expensive and embarrassing if you don’t follow through or get off the fucking pot. having your low-level IT staff pretend you’re Some Guy LLC is a bad fucking look. we all know the guy whose only job is to send threatening emails and press the “close account” button doesn’t have any power to do anything of substance. why in fuck is that guy still in the woem.men admin’s inbox making demands?