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I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You seem mad at ME because THEY don't give enough of a shit

I've been saying it for MONTHS. If they run biden they WILL lose.

I do not WANT them to lose, I am just informing you of the outcome babe.

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good thing they got electable Hillary on the ballot.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Are you suggesting she wasn't electable? She had 3 million more votes than Trump, and only lost overall because of a few thousand votes in specific states. it was almost down to a coin flip. She was entirely electable.

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bernie would not have been close to losing. Appointing another typical Democrat to represent the party will only result in close elections that can swing either way. Trump took that small margin of a win because he was not your typical candidate.

If either party can choose someone who will stand against the oligarchic trend, then there will be no contest against them. Such a candidate in either of the controlling parties would allow voters to rise above their fear based decisions as well as energize disenfranchised voters.

So yes, I am suggesting she was unelectable for those reasons. A coin flip win is clearly not electability.

I just realized a good analogy. Our two parties are comparable to Nascar in that they are stock cars with little to no room for modification that would make them faster vehicles. Trump won because was giving the middle finger to the other drivers. Bernie was disqualified because he was cheating with rocket boosters on his car.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A coin flip win is clearly not electability.

if it gets someone elected it is

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It got Bush elected. It got Trump elected. It got Biden elected. If you think 50/50 means electable, then you really don't care who wins.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

"Getting elected isn't electable" - A MAGA supporter on Lemmy pretending not to be, 2024

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And then she lost. For largely avoidable reasons.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

She had Michigan in the bag, no need to even show up there.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Please tell me this is sarcasm. I can't tell anymore.

[–] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except for his SOTU, Biden has run a horrible campaign. And it's not clear Biden can offer that SOTU energy as much as his campaign needs.

Liberals can't challenge the liberal order, so they end up punching down with memes like these. Basically mimicking the right. This is no way to hold the democratic coalition together.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

punching down

Yeah, that's not what this meme is doing. I'm sorry you feel attacked by it.

[–] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's the same attack as liberals did against Bernie voters in 2016. And whatever, we live in a center right nation, I get the Boogeyman left is a popular target. But this passive aggressive shit is transparent as fuck.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

An anti-MAGA meme makes you feel attacked