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I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm arguing with other leftists because I have hope that I can help them make the right choice strategically while countering the rampant rightwing disinfo which like it or not, that's what you're parroting.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Again, you're indistinguishable from a moderate or a liberal. You talk like one, you act like one, you vote like one. Regardless of what you believe you're not doing anything that would accomplish anything we're fighting for.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Abstaining from voting this election will drive the leftist cause backwards so not accomplishing anything would be much preferrable.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Four years of Biden has driven us backwards. If moderates and liberals refuse to compromise with us now when they themselves believe democracy is at stake what does that tell you? They never will.

I am done propping up their trash procorporate candidates. If they aren't willing to fight fascism head on then it's not a choice between fascism and democracy it's a choice between fascism now or later.

I choose now. You're free to make your own choice.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

And you will make the exact same argument next election. And the one after that. And the one after that.