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JK Rowling has challenged Scotland's new hate crime law in a series of social media posts - inviting police to arrest her if they believe she has committed an offence.

The Harry Potter author, who lives in Edinburgh, described several transgender women as men, including convicted prisoners, trans activists and other public figures.

She said "freedom of speech and belief" was at an end if accurate description of biological sex was outlawed.

Earlier, Scotland's first minister Humza Yousaf said the new law would deal with a "rising tide of hatred".

The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 creates a new crime of "stirring up hatred" relating to age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or being intersex.

Ms Rowling, who has long been a critic of some trans activism, posted on X on the day the new legislation came into force.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not a reduction at all. The beginning of the Holocaust was when the Nazis destroyed the Institute for Sexual Research and burned all the books. I used Jews as an example rather than that because people were making the same "he's keeping Germany safe" argument about Hitler persecuting the Jews that the person above is making about "they're keeping women safe." And I would not be at all surprised if they made the "they're keeping women safe" argument about persecuting trans people then too.

It is encouraging genocide while defending someone who denied the Holocaust.

Why you think that is a reduction, I don't know. It seems like a pretty close 1:1 comparison with Germany in 1933 to me.

Hitler didn't start the death camps the second he came to power. You know that, right?

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Well, comparing JK Rowling to Hitler and her fear of tran women to the Holocaust might be just a wee bit of exaggeration, eh? The purpose of citing Godwin's Law is to remind people to step back and ask whether the person being discussed is actually similar in magnitude to Hitler and the Nazis.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was comparing the excuse of her bigotry to the same excuses given to Nazis and it led to horrors. Horrors that are happening again and which she is fomenting.

I compared her to the Nazi ideology she supports and her supporters to the appeasers that excused the Nazis in the 1930s.

I will not apologize for calling a Nazi a Nazi. If you think you have to subscribe to every single thing the Nazis believed in to be called a Nazi, you're wrong.

Is she Hitler? No, because she's not a world leader. Would she do the same things he did to trans people, especially women, if she were? Of that I have little doubt.

Think like a Nazi, I'm going to call you a Nazi. Excuse a Nazi and I'm going to point it out.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I will not apologize for calling a Nazi a Nazi.

She isn't a Nazi, though. That's the point.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

She subscribes to Nazi ideology. Specifically the classifying of trans people as sub humans and demonizing them as a danger to public safety.

It quacks like a duck. You seem to think Nazi = killing people. It doesn't. She supports a genocide. That's all it takes.

Again, Hitler didn't open the camps on day one to anyone but political opponents.

This seems more about you liking Rowling and not wanting to admit what she's doing.

Once again, a transgender genocide is going on right now. She is supporting it. If you deny that genocide is happening, or worse, claiming she has a point like the person I responded to, you're supporting Nazi ideology too.

Maybe the issue is that you agree with her that trans people are a danger to society?

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

She subscribes to Nazi ideology. Specifically the classifying of trans people as sub humans

  • Hyperbole

It quacks like a duck. You seem to think Nazi = killing people. It doesn't.

  • Straw man argument

She supports a genocide. That's all it takes.

  • Does she actually support a genocide? Who knew the bar was so low?

Again, Hitler didn't open the camps on day one to anyone but political opponents.

  • Slippery slope argument

This seems more about you liking Rowling and not wanting to admit what she's doing.

  • Ad hominem attack

Once again, a transgender genocide is going on right now.

  • Hyperbole

She is supporting it. If you deny that genocide is happening, or worse, claiming she has a point like the person I responded to, you're supporting Nazi ideology too.

  • Ad hominem attack, again

Maybe the issue is that you agree with her that trans people are a danger to society?

  • Ad hominem attack again.

Do you ever make valid arguments, or is your mouth just a fire hose of irrationality?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so you deny there's a transgender genocide going on right now despite my showing you very clearly that it is, in fact, happening right now.

Guess I know why you're also denying that a Nazi is a Nazi.

You would have saved a lot of time if you had just started this by telling me that you agree with Rowling.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree with Rowling's concerns about transgender people. They are no threat to me or the larger society. I also don't think there is a transgender genocide going on. Again, reductio ad absurdum. Does that make me a Nazi? Again, who knew the bar was so low on Nazism?

It's hard to take you seriously when your argument is just a long string of logical fallacies, as I pointed out in detail.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Look, I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you aren't Hitler. But you should still try to get a grip on reality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law#/media/File%3AGodwin's_law_t-shirt_at_Rally_to_restore_sanity%2C_2010.jpg

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Cool. I never said disagreeing with someone makes them Hitler, so that's not even remotely relevant.

I said denying this genocide, especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence I just provided you, makes you a fellow traveler who aids Nazis.

Sorry, if you don't want to be told you're helping out Nazis, don't be a genocide denier. And if you don't want to be called a genocide denier, don't deny a genocide is happening when you're very, very, very clearly shown that it is and even refusing to review the evidence you've been given.

That makes you a fellow traveler of Nazis. It's not my fault that you're a genocide denier, it's yours.

I do love that someone who denies a genocide is happening in the face of a mass of evidence they clearly are refusing to review is telling me to get a grip on reality though. My grip on reality is based on evidence. Yours is apparently based on misunderstanding what Godwin's Law means. Although I think it's an intentional misunderstanding to avoid admitting you're a fellow traveler.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You literally called me a Nazi multiple times. Keep going. It really enhances your credibility.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nope, I literally called you a fellow traveler and a Nazi supporter. Because you're supporting Nazis.

And it's odd that you're talking about credibility when you continue to refuse to review a lot of information about an ongoing genocide so that you can continue to claim it isn't happening.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Keep going. Your hyperbole and moral panic are entertaining. Those Nazis are everywhere, I tell you. Everywhere!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so now genocide is a moral panic. Those horrible trans people!

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And another logical fallacy. Keep going. You're doing great!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Believe it or not, just accusing me of making logical fallacies doesn't actually make them logical fallacies.

It's not my fault that you're a fellow traveler, it's yours.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, making logical fallacies makes your argument logically fallacious. But keep going.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Too bad it's not a logical fallacy to call a genocide denier, which you are, a fellow traveler.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I already pointed out the logical fallacies one of your posts, in which virtually every word was part of a logical fallacy. That must be very embarrassing for you as a grown man. I don't think I need to embarrass you further. But keep going. Tell me again that I'm a Nazi.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I know you claimed every part of it was a logical fallacy. That doesn't make it true. Much like this is a falsehood:

Tell me again that I’m a Nazi.

I still have not called you a Nazi. I don't know why you've lied about that twice now. It's interesting that you think your lying would embarrass me.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Hair splitting. But keep going.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nope. A fellow traveler is not a Nazi. They mean different things. So that's another lie. How many more lies do you plan to tell?

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't hurt your legs backpedalling so fast.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Another lie. I did no backpedaling. So we'll call that four lies.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Distraction and derailing. Claiming that I'm lying in order to avoid dealing with your logically fallacious argument.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nope, I'm claiming that you're lying because you're lying. You lied twice about me calling you a Nazi, which I never did, once by claiming that a fellow traveler and a Nazi are the same thing, which they are not, and once because you claimed I backpedaled, which you did not do.

Furthermore, it is not a fallacy that there is an ongoing transgender genocide just because you arrogantly refuse to believe it.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Time for you to go back to school. Your style of argument is full of hyperbole, ad hominem attacks, slippery slope assumptions, hair splitting, and straw men.

But keep going.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Your claims do not change your lies or your genocide denial.

And repeatedly saying "but keep going" achieves absolutely nothing other than making you look like a very silly person.