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That's what FPTP does, is turn every election into a hostage crisis. We need to stump for a better system while we play along with this one.
Annoyingly, I don't see how this is done though.
Those with the power to push for a voting system change are the ones voted in by the current voting system. Unless we get some real, for the good of the country, politicians they're unlikely to vote for a system that would see them not voted in.
The most realistic scenario to make that happen, if we're talking purely hypotheticals, is a coalition government between libdems and labs, where the former demands RCV as a concession.
Is it currently likely? No, but it's definitely something you could read in a history book and it wouldn't make you fall out of your chair.
Even in the event of a Lib/Lab coalition, Labour would likely require any voting reform too through a referendum as a final get-out. I don't think anyone wants a repeat of the AV referendum (or maybe any referendum in general for that matter).
Although if we find ourselves with an ascending Reform Party, who support PR, and declining Conservative Party, who might come round to it out of desperation, that could leave Labour alone as the FPTP holdout.
I could see that, if we do see a severe Conservative rout after the election. All we need now is an ascendant reform party...
I have a feeling that the election after next will just be back to Tories anyway.
All of those that voted selfishly will still vote selfishly once the country is in a state to offer them something again.
Do you feel conservatism is alive and flourishing in the next generation of voters?
Hmm.
Are we at the point of the young out voting the currently old? I don't have the stats but my feeling is we aren't at that tipping point for another ten years or so.
I'd say tories are losing out on this election because they've just pissed off the electorate so much, including their older voters. But I'd wager a number of those older voters will still be around and willing to vote Tories in the next election when there's some more gutting of the country to benefit them.
But if you have stats that prove my feeling wrong I'd definitely want to see them, but I'm not interested enough to look it up myself :D
Yeah, fuck knows buddy. Some days I'm Captain Easy Answers, but today I'm happy with Col. Of Truth.
I'm not so sure though. The reason that labour are winning is not because of anything they've done, and everything because of what the Tories have done. They know that, they also know that the public have very short memories and they may very well decide in 2025 that they should give the Tories another go. Now of course it all depends on what ends up happening in the next 5 years which of course is something that cannot be predicted but it's certainly a possibility they will have to think about.
They know the public want a different voting system so it may very well be a good vote winner while at the same time the alternate system would basically ensure that the extreme hard right Tories (Which at this point is basically the whole party) would never get into power again. It could kill two birds with one stone.