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Ukraine on Wednesday lowered the military conscription age from 27 to 25 in an effort to replenish its depleted ranks after more than two years of war following Russia’s full-scale invasion.

The new mobilization law came into force a day after Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed it. Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, passed it last year.

It was not immediately clear why Zelenskyy took so long to sign the measure into law. He didn’t make any public comment about it, and officials did not say how many new soldiers the country expected to gain or for which units.

Conscription has been a sensitive matter in Ukraine for many months amid a growing shortage of infantry on top of a severe ammunition shortfall that has handed Russia the battlefield initiative. Russia’s own problems with manpower and planning have so far prevented it from taking full advantage of its edge.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No 180 required. Russia is willing to come to peace, and will probably require succession of Donbass,

Ah, yes, the "stop fighting and let me kick you" school of pacifism.

Zelensky is adamant about not doing despite being offered that way out.

If nothing else, he's a politician. Politicians want to stay in power, not be disposed off by their people.

For all I’m aware, LPR/DPR combatants are not forced into service at gunpoint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_mobilization_in_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic_and_the_Luhansk_People%27s_Republic

Who’s gonna be a next victim, if I may ask? Just about every neighbor of Russia to the West is already part of NATO

If NATO drops Ukraine Putin will consider NATO weak, a paper tiger, and not hesitate attacking NATO land. Especially if the US loses the rest of the bit of sense they have and re-elect Trump. They of course won't get anywhere with that and it will be nigh impossible to keep the Poles from marching straight to Moscow, the mad bastards aren't afraid to get nuked over it, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't try.

And no Georgia and the -stans aren't really up to defending themselves, not against a Russia which had a couple of years to lick their wounds.

[–] Allero 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fair pick against "let us kick each other to death"

The will to stay in power population be damned is bloody dictatorship.

Thank you for info on LPR/DPR mobilization. Worth noting it happened in all participants of the conflict, however.

NATO is very much not a paper tigerz and the risk is just not worth taking.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The will to stay in power population be damned is bloody dictatorship.

That's not what I said, or what the situation on the ground is. If Zelensky were to trade away territory the people would get rid of him. Ukraine is a democracy, even if he wanted to he couldn't act against the overwhelming will of the people.

Worth noting it happened in all participants of the conflict, however.

It's a massive difference whether you draft for offensive or defensive purposes. Also, whether or not you throw people at the enemy with or without training and even weapons. That's a thing that very much does not happen in Ukraine.

NATO is very much not a paper tigerz and the risk is just not worth taking.

Objectively, yes. But what matters for Putin's decision is not objective reality but his subjective judgement. "Talk softly and carry a big stick" doesn't really work if you have someone who thinks that "talks softly" means "doesn't have it in them to use the stick". Russia overall seems to think that ruthlessness is something you have to train, develop, and they pride themselves in having done it -- in reality, it's the other way around.

[–] Allero 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is an overwhelming will and war sentiment even there? Because I can't seem to notice signs of that.

My point around NATO is that since it's objectively not a "paper tiger", it will respond should Putin be mad enough to attack a NATO country. The escalation will be very quick, and the reaction very overwhelming for Russian forces. And, as politically mad as Putin is, he does understand a thing or two about politics and NATO.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Is an overwhelming will and war sentiment even there? Because I can’t seem to notice signs of that.

You mean of the people in the street cheering for marching troops kind of thing? Ukraine isn't the country for that, they don't like war, but when needs be then needs be and the polls show that.

And, as politically mad as Putin is, he does understand a thing or two about politics and NATO.

His understanding is of the cunning, not smart kind. If he was actually smart he wouldn't have started this whole shitshow in the first place. He would've long understood that his underlings are feeding him bad info out of a desire to look good and counter-steered, and not made various other fatal strategic blunders. Maybe there's a reason why he never ranked higher than Lieutenant in the KGB.

[–] Allero 2 points 7 months ago

Could you please link the polls again?

He's smart enough not to attack a NATO country, and even if not, he'd quickly pay the full price for such actions.