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It's basically just because he's like, a moronic ape. He is able to kind of, wear the aesthetics of your everyday college dorm bro, who thinks the dark knight is the greatest movie ever made. Or at least, wear the aesthetics of their middling 30 year old, balding, divorced versions, because that movie came out in like 2008, or whatever. You can basically put him in any context, and he's able to function as the same idiot self-insert character. He's the vessel through which they can imagine themselves talking to famous celebrities, academics, comedians, and right wing conspiracy nuts.
Ok but like, do you have to shit on the Dark Knight though?
Yes
Bro is sparing no punches
i think this has a lot to do with it.
and i think he's also boosted a lot by the fact that he doesn't really communicate that many original thoughts. instead, it seems like he tends to blindly agree with whoever he has on camera. so he simultaneously cultivates these personas of "having intellectual curiosity" while also being a stand-in for the average college dorm bro.
(i'm not trying to defend him here, he still causes serious harm by platforming bad actors and endorsing their views.)
I think these are kind of one in the same. College dorm bros, ime, and just your general kind of like libertarian white dude, are pretty vulnerable to JAQing off unintentionally, engaging in a lot of logical fallacies, and priding themselves on a kind of half-baked intellectual curiosity that really just serves to reaffirm their own worldview. It's how they can square the circle of supporting free speech, and it's uses, right, while not actually being intellectually curious enough to dig themselves out of their holes through legitimate means. The college dorm bro is closely related to the debate pervert, is basically what I'm saying.
What does "square the circle of supporting free speech" mean in this context?
If I had to guess I reckon you are saying that they delude themselves into believing that they are free speech absolutists but only when it is politically convenient for them - or something like that?
Kinda like that, yeah, but, I think, less when it's politically convenient, and more just, that it's like a fundamental character flaw. They wear the coat of free speech, but then they aren't actually capable of engaging in what I see as legitimate speech or communication, and they're not capable of engaging with or internalizing outside ideas. They're not capable of actually using it, basically.
It's sort of like how, you know, you can support free speech, but then also, most people would end up blocking commercial spam, or like, very blatant trolling. Only the stupidest people would see that as a kind of hypocrisy, because their definition of "speech" doesn't encompass spam and blatant trolling. Most people would kind of leave it there, but I also think it's potentially a good idea to block out (hard to distinguish as it is) bad faith communication, under the guise that it's not actually communication. At least, if not to block it outright, then to ignore it, or maybe, take a different approach to it. Logical fallacies are like intellectual spam, disguised as real thought, to make it harder to distinguish and boost engagement. I don't qualify that as being like, real speech, basically. So I find it mildly amusing that people who are so vested in free speech are not really capable of using it, basically.
I don't necessarily think it's like, bad, that they defend free speech, at least conceptually, right, but I do think it's terribly ironic that they'll defend everyone's ability to do something, but then they have no capacity to engage with it or really use it themselves. My cynical tendency is that they're realistically not defending real free speech, when they say they're "supportive of free speech", but they're really just defending their own ability to suck down bad faith arguments, conspiracies, bro-culture grindset shit, and maybe even hate speech, from their information pipes.
So, that's kind of a long-winded way to say that you're correct, yeah.
Thanks for clarifying!
I just don't get the Joe Rogan hate. I've watched a fair number of episodes of his, maybe a few dozen. I'll sometimes agree with his take on something, other times I'll disagree (often in the same episode), but it's usually at least interesting. I watch them for the topics not in some kind of idol worship of the guy. Despite whatever hot takes people are going to throw at me from his hundreds or thousands of hours of hosting his podcast, I still think he asks good questions and that his long-form interviews and laid back discussion format fosters more interesting discussion than I see in other places.
I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater if I find someone I watch on YouTube or wherever says something I disagree with or holds a viewpoint I don't like, though.