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[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca -3 points 7 months ago (20 children)

It was relevant to this discussion as I'm saying I similarly wouldn't bring this truth up with someone like my mother or similar as shown in the original post.

My goal is not to convince anyone who feels differently, I just felt others could relate to my example. I will not provide any explanation unless specifically asked as my goal here is not to force my knowledge onto someone who doesn't want it.

[–] mako 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (17 children)

Woosh.

You said that free will isn't real and went on to say the reason YOU DECIDED to make that comment, as well as what YOUR GOAL was, and what YOU WILL OR WILL NOT DO.

If you're not the one deciding what you did in the past or what you will or won't do in the future, it seems pretty arrogant of you to speak one way or the other about it.

At best, maybe you're saying that all existence is just made up of particles colliding and interacting with each other, and that if you knew the exact position, vector, and velocity of the most base level of all particles, you could perfectly predict all future events or extrapolate past events and that we're all forced to proceed just like pool balls moving on the table. Since we currently can't map those values for a single electron, I'm thinking that maybe your "truth" can't be extrapolated to the rest of the 99.99999999999% of existence that we haven't discovered and don't understand.

My favorite part is at the end where you say you're not going to force "your knowledge" on anyone, as if you've found this immutable truth that the rest of us are just too daft to understand.

My guess is that you're between 13 and 22 years old and like to feel special by knowing "the truth." That's why we have flat earthers and people who say that 5G causes autism. Their goal is to feel like one of the enlightened ones much more than performing or understanding research.

If you really want to be a lifelong learner and something closer to a scientist, your goal won't be to arrive at some final destination ("my knowledge"/"the truth") but to continue to move forward, press on, learn more, take it to the next level ("my most recent theory.."/"what I'm thinking right now.."/"this study suggests.."), and drop the arrogance and fake superiority.

[–] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love when I sit on responding to a direct reply for a few days and come to find someone has saved me a TON of time typing up a response :)

[–] mako 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's true, I spent way too long replying. I usually avoid engaging but I think it was the absurdity that made me throw away what had to be at least a combined hour of my day. They responded to a comic about atheism by saying the knew the true nature of the universe.

It was obvious pretty quickly that they weren't in a place where they could accept their belief being challenged, but maybe a really bored person read it all and took something away from it.

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