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The Toyota Sienna can apparently tow ~~3.5 tonnes~~ 3500 lbs and carry 8 passengers. Average mpg while not towing is 36 too.
But most people don't tow anything ever and a van would be just fine.
It can tow 3500. 1.5 tons and that isn't a lot. Not as much as an SUV with a towing package and not even close to a 1/2 ton truck.
My b, 3500lbs. Most families aren't towing anything though. I'm not going to disparage anyone with a truck who needs to tow or haul a bunch. But there are people who don't tow anything and complain about midsize SUVs not having enough space for their family but balk at the idea of a van.
I'm so tired of hearing this. I've met like maybe 1 truck owner who never uses it "correctly". Y'all are inventing some imaginary figure in your heads from a 15 year old survey.
It may depend on where you live and work.
Of the ones I know, they either have big caravans, or rural properties where they genuinely need an off road vehicle.
Having wet, damp gear in a separate part of the vehicle is also useful.
Yeah, 1.5 tonne sounds more reasonable.
Won't tow construction equipment or a large boat or caravan, or travel off road, of course.
Clearly I'm not most people then.
Bullshit. Show me the spec sheet.
Also, people movers generally aren't made to move adults, eight manual labourers would be a tight fit, and leave no room for luggage.
Sorry, 3500 lbs. I'm not arguing that a minivan is a good work vehicle btw, but most families looking at SUVs would be better with a van. That's my argument.
The two most common use cases where I live for a ute or pickup is a tradie or tech that wants one vehicle to serve as a work vehicle and a family car, or someone who wants the towing capacity of a ute or SUV. Neither one can really use a van, as trade vans only have one row of seats.
Most SUV owners want the towing capacity and ground clearance of an SUV.
As a former Sienna owner, they are great for families, and absolutely cavernous. Very practical for most families.
Towing is a pop up camper or small boat. I suppose a utility trailer would work, but it’s easier to just fold down or pop out seats and I’ve always made it fit.
Definitely not a work truck, and in particular that third row bench is constraining for adults