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An Australian museum excluded men from an exhibit to highlight misogyny. A man sued for access and won.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/mkwF8

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I'm not really a fan of the whole "we'll be intolerant so you know what it feels like" but it's also the only way I can really know what it feels like as a white man from a middle class family. I'm on the fence on this one.

[–] pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They should just make it a small art exhibit out front, then 2 bathrooms, the mens is normal, with some basic art, but the women's bathroom has a bar and cocktail lounge and the extra amenities. Then the business wouldn't be excluding men, it would just be providing them a different experience in the bathroom which I feel like they'd have a much better time defending in court. But it also seems like this whole thing was done as a form of activism and it looks like one of the intents is for this business to close down so they can be martyrs.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not really an artsy type person, more of a logical minded person, so it really wouldn't be something I would do. But as a logical thinker I'm good at coming up with creative logical solutions to puzzles. I'd be better as a consultant.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd be happy to give a letter of reference.

To whom it may concern,
Pleasejustdie....

You may need to change your handle for this to work :)

[–] pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

True, but changing the handle is just too much effort for me though, so I guess the plan is foiled in the planning stages. aww shucks.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You don't need to know what it feels like. Trying to fight intolerance with intolerance isn't successful.

[–] rutellthesinful@kbin.social 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You don’t need to know what it feels like.

no, but it can help

Trying to fight intolerance with intolerance isn’t successful.

blanket statements like this are rarely helpful or true

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think downvoters have forgotten the paradox of tolerance. That said, intolerance should be applied at the individual level (ie don't tolerate a nazi because they are a nazi), not by group (like the scenario this thread is about did).

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[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

If any approach had been genuinely successful, this conversation wouldn't even be happening.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 21 points 7 months ago

The more interesting thing to me is... They were modeling a thing that was popular in the 60s, according to the article. It's an art display to protest something from 60+ years ago. A lot of the people who would go to such an exhibit weren't alive, and certainly weren't adults at the time.

There are surely problems that women face today but I don't see how this helps shine any light on that or does anything at all for it.

[–] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 7 months ago

I think it's fine as a limited art piece, but sexism is sexism and should not be perpetrated against any gender in a serious way.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 5 points 7 months ago (39 children)

That's easy.
For starters: Go to China. Go to the middle east. Go to Zimbabwe. Go to the wrong parts of Brazil or South Africa.

Hell, go to Northern Ireland.

It's an idiotic thing to state that white people are not and have never been oppressed.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of down-votes but strangely no responses.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, overwhelmingly people aren't racially discriminated against for being white so I'm not sure what it is you're trying to back up.

Sure it happens. The one that's closest to home for me in that list is Northern Ireland. White Catholics here were abused, but it was by white people so nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Honestly such a terrible example with absolutely no understanding for historical context.

I've spent non-trivial time in the Middle East. Sure I'm not at the same social class as Arabs there but I was sure fucking glad I wasn't brown.

China, wot? Yeah people stare at me but nobody was nasty. If anything I was a novelty.

White people in South Africa were gonna get what they were gonna get in a post apartheid world where they pillaged and oppressed until quite recently. That doesn't make it right but it makes it inevitable.

They're all very poorly thought out, edge case examples with the exception of Zimbabwe unless I'm missing others that I'm not aware of.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The Irish have been abused and degrqded by the British for Centuries. Still are, not nearly like they used to be, but its still there.

China. You know they officially call white people a racist slur right?

Middle East: Not as bad as Middle eastern women or anyone from southeast Asia. Still racist.

South Africa: yup, cant say they didnt deserve it, but its still racism, also not inevitable.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

The Irish have been abused and degrqded by the British for Centuries. Still are, not nearly like they used to be, but its still there.

I know very well. I'm Irish. Pretty sure still have our own "and the Irish" section in British airports as a holdover from the troubles. The point I'm making is that it had nothing to do with being white and I haven't met any British people trying to abuse or degrade me for being Irish. My sister lives there and is married to an English man so I visit frequently.

China: I didn't experience any overt racism there because of the colour of my skin. We have derogatory words for basically everyone in English but it doesn't mean people use them. Hell, we call the British "Tans" if we're feeling belligerent towards them. "Paddy" has lost all meaning as a slur against the Irish.

Middle east: Sure. There I did experience it but it was incredibly mild and as I said I was very glad I wasn't brown.

Anyway, my main point was this:

overwhelmingly people aren’t racially discriminated against for being white

And I feel that it stands and yes there are exceptions but the historical weight of racism hasn't fallen on white people because of the colour of their skin.

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