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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My point that you seem to miss is that under capitalism, capitalists only allow such reforms when their power is threatened, and under capitalism, such reforms are removed when the threat is removed.

Do you not see that leaving the capitalists in power tends towards a system that benefits the capitalists at the expense of everyone else?

That every capitalist country has cut away at benefits over the last 30 years?

Why would you fight to leave the capitalists in power?

[–] rgalex@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I want to understand your point. What do you mean by "capitalists allow" and "leaving the capitalist in power" in the assumption of socializing an industry?

Do you refer to the fact that in a direct or indirect way, capitalists influence the governement, so even if something socialized it's still under capitalist control?

Or something more like the case of Uber and taxis? Where capitalism can provide unfair competition.

Those points are what it comes to my mind with what you say, but I feel like I'm missing something about what you mean, and I'm intrigued.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You conflate capitalism and democracy too much to have an intelligent conversation.

Good luck storming the castle!

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Don't condescend when you don't know basic terms like capitalism or social democracy and its history.

Capitalism and democracy are diametrically opposed, hence why you cannot have meaningful democracy under capitalism.